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On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 10:46:10 -0500, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! In comparison to the fluff schools Harry went to you did much better. Yoy actually learned something valuable whereas Harry learned to contemplate stuff. I wonder how much contemplation he did in the 700 and 800 level courses? The guy is just unreal. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 12/4/13, 10:46 AM, KC wrote:
On 12/4/2013 10:36 AM, Hank© wrote: On 12/4/2013 7:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Most of the upper level courses I got to take - the "300" and "400" classes were more contemplative and thought-provoking. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. How do you grade crap like that? On a curve:) Neither you nor your buttbuddy Hankster the Prankster went to college or grad school, so you should stick to subjects with which you are familiar. In your case, that would be "how not to hang onto a decent job," and in Hankie's case, that would be "how to fix obsolete outdrives." Most of the upper level courses in my majors required the students to research, cite, and write long (usually) papers that demonstrated depth of knowledge of the subject matter, the ability to interpret it, and the ability to write about it. For final exams, the questions and answers were so long, you could arrange to take the tests in a proctored classroom where you and other students who wanted to do so could use a typewriter. I remember one of my classmates filled three blue books with her handwriting in response to an essay question. When my wife was working towards here Ph.D, she had two rounds of written exams that lasted several days each, plus a three day oral exam before a faculty committee in which she was questioned in depth about every doctoral level course she took, plus a half day of oral exam before a doctoral committee in which she had to defend her dissertation. Oh, and let's not forget: to even get into a grad school, you had to have really good grades as an undergrad, you had to have high scores on the Graduate Record Exam (a super SAT/Achievement exam), you had to have strong written recommendations, et cetera. Finally, of course, you had to know the difference between the POP and SMTP protocols. :) Now, tell us...how did you get that job stacking crates at the food warehouse? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 10:49:30 -0500, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a loader driver, and in a factory. My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed. Social skills for one. Now *that* was funny! I'll bet even the lil' Squirt laughed his ass off over that one! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:06:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 10:46 AM, KC wrote: On 12/4/2013 10:36 AM, Hank© wrote: On 12/4/2013 7:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Most of the upper level courses I got to take - the "300" and "400" classes were more contemplative and thought-provoking. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. How do you grade crap like that? On a curve:) Neither you nor your buttbuddy Hankster the Prankster went to college or grad school, so you should stick to subjects with which you are familiar. In your case, that would be "how not to hang onto a decent job," and in Hankie's case, that would be "how to fix obsolete outdrives." Most of the upper level courses in my majors required the students to research, cite, and write long (usually) papers that demonstrated depth of knowledge of the subject matter, the ability to interpret it, and the ability to write about it. For final exams, the questions and answers were so long, you could arrange to take the tests in a proctored classroom where you and other students who wanted to do so could use a typewriter. I remember one of my classmates filled three blue books with her handwriting in response to an essay question. When my wife was working towards here Ph.D, she had two rounds of written exams that lasted several days each, plus a three day oral exam before a faculty committee in which she was questioned in depth about every doctoral level course she took, plus a half day of oral exam before a doctoral committee in which she had to defend her dissertation. Oh, and let's not forget: to even get into a grad school, you had to have really good grades as an undergrad, you had to have high scores on the Graduate Record Exam (a super SAT/Achievement exam), you had to have strong written recommendations, et cetera. Someone, somewhere....gives a ****. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? All those other skills about which you continuously boast, maybe? John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 12/4/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. More fluff from the Clown College of Kansas alumni. -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? Abstract thinking and learning new things. You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained you to avoid that. I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000 enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then, including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/4/13, 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:39:10 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 12/4/2013 12:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:48:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't k Military schools are taught with a particular practical application in mind. They want people who can analyse problems and fix them, sometimes without the proper parts and possibly under a lot of pressure. That is not a "theory" type skill. I did see the two philosophies side by side. In the 70s IBM experimented with hiring EEs because we could not find enough vets to handle the system 360/370 surge. It was a disaster. They may have been great in abstract thinking but we wanted guys who could think about the problem in front of them, not how we should have designed it, Of the 4 we had, 2 were simply fired, one moved on to management and the 4th went off to be a design engineer, where he was actually quite effective. That is the guy I visited on my Colorado trip. (also the guy with the Solar house in Manassas) Some of those guys spend much too much time contemplating and not enough time doing. This was one of the smartest guys I know ... but he also did 4 in the USAF after he went to college. That 1A you get the day you graduate was a scary thing in the 60s. Gee. You almost have me feeling bad for not doing more than supplying change of addresses when appropriate to my local draft board. I could have been drafted and sent to Vietnam to burn villages, women and children. That would have been...so contemplative, eh? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/4/2013 3:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? Abstract thinking and learning new things. You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained you to avoid that. I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000 enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then, including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love. I'll jump in to make this comment: Harry, there's no question you are a very accomplished fella and value your education greatly. I think the problem some of us have is your condescending attitude about others and your perception that their backgrounds, schools, talents and/or knowledge is inferior to yours. I don't think you actually believe that .... it's just the way you come across. I guess the real question is, "Do you do it on purpose"? |
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On 12/4/13, 4:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 3:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? Abstract thinking and learning new things. You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained you to avoid that. I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000 enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then, including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love. I'll jump in to make this comment: Harry, there's no question you are a very accomplished fella and value your education greatly. I think the problem some of us have is your condescending attitude about others and your perception that their backgrounds, schools, talents and/or knowledge is inferior to yours. I don't think you actually believe that .... it's just the way you come across. I guess the real question is, "Do you do it on purpose"? Perhaps I am just responding to the anti-intellectual, anti formal education bias that so pervades this newsgroup. Neither I nor any of my close friends from high school went to college to "learn a useful trade." Several of those posters here have no apparent skills in anything, yet they put down those who have tried to improve their intellectual lots in life through formal education. I wasn't a child of leisure. I paid for most of my first degree with summer jobs and academic year jobs, and got lucky with a fellowship for my M.A., which only required me to be a grad student instructor. I went to college to expand my knowledge base of what I thought and think was important to me, to learn and sharpen thinking skills, to become a true student of the liberal arts. After I met physical chemistry in college and it nearly killed me ( :) ) ,I gave up my pursuit of becoming an M.D., a profession that interested me not in the least because it was a way to make decent money. Hell, I've got an adult kid who is a tenured professor of a hard science at MIT, something I could *never* attain. My wife didn't go through four years of undergrad school to get her B.S., a year of grad school (accelerated placement) to get her M.S., and five years of post-grad school to get her Ph.D, so she could simply learn a trade. She did it to become more of an expert on helping people with serious mental and emotional problems. I certainly respect the talents and knowledge of others. I've worked with lots of highly skilled union craftworkers over the past few decades, and I am blown away by their abilities in their trades. I spent some time on my own learning a lot more about welding than I picked up at the summer job at a boiler factory in New Haven, enough so that after a few years of messing around, I was able to pass a journeyman's week of projects and exams and become a "full-patch" member of my union. It wasn't easy for me, but it certainly was for some of the guys which whom I attended apprenticeship classes. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. |
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On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. |
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On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 3:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? Abstract thinking and learning new things. You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained you to avoid that. I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000 enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then, including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love. I'll jump in to make this comment: Harry, there's no question you are a very accomplished fella and value your education greatly. I think the problem some of us have is your condescending attitude about others and your perception that their backgrounds, schools, talents and/or knowledge is inferior to yours. I don't think you actually believe that .... it's just the way you come across. I guess the real question is, "Do you do it on purpose"? Perhaps I am just responding to the anti-intellectual, anti formal education bias that so pervades this newsgroup. Neither I nor any of my close friends from high school went to college to "learn a useful trade." Several of those posters here have no apparent skills in anything, yet they put down those who have tried to improve their intellectual lots in life through formal education. I wasn't a child of leisure. I paid for most of my first degree with summer jobs and academic year jobs, and got lucky with a fellowship for my M.A., which only required me to be a grad student instructor. I went to college to expand my knowledge base of what I thought and think was important to me, to learn and sharpen thinking skills, to become a true student of the liberal arts. After I met physical chemistry in college and it nearly killed me ( :) ) ,I gave up my pursuit of becoming an M.D., a profession that interested me not in the least because it was a way to make decent money. Hell, I've got an adult kid who is a tenured professor of a hard science at MIT, something I could *never* attain. My wife didn't go through four years of undergrad school to get her B.S., a year of grad school (accelerated placement) to get her M.S., and five years of post-grad school to get her Ph.D, so she could simply learn a trade. She did it to become more of an expert on helping people with serious mental and emotional problems. I certainly respect the talents and knowledge of others. I've worked with lots of highly skilled union craftworkers over the past few decades, and I am blown away by their abilities in their trades. I spent some time on my own learning a lot more about welding than I picked up at the summer job at a boiler factory in New Haven, enough so that after a few years of messing around, I was able to pass a journeyman's week of projects and exams and become a "full-patch" member of my union. It wasn't easy for me, but it certainly was for some of the guys which whom I attended apprenticeship classes. That's all fine. You are a fan of academia. Nothing wrong with that. I know many people who share similar quests for general knowledge. The issue at hand here is how you come across to others whose backgrounds, experience and schools are as important to them as yours is to you. Everyone deserves respect for what they do honestly and everyone has a right to have a sense of accomplishment. You seem to delight in finding fault with any path that was different from yours. Or ... do you do it on purpose? |
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On 12/4/13, 5:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 3:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? Abstract thinking and learning new things. You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained you to avoid that. I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000 enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then, including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love. I'll jump in to make this comment: Harry, there's no question you are a very accomplished fella and value your education greatly. I think the problem some of us have is your condescending attitude about others and your perception that their backgrounds, schools, talents and/or knowledge is inferior to yours. I don't think you actually believe that .... it's just the way you come across. I guess the real question is, "Do you do it on purpose"? Perhaps I am just responding to the anti-intellectual, anti formal education bias that so pervades this newsgroup. Neither I nor any of my close friends from high school went to college to "learn a useful trade." Several of those posters here have no apparent skills in anything, yet they put down those who have tried to improve their intellectual lots in life through formal education. I wasn't a child of leisure. I paid for most of my first degree with summer jobs and academic year jobs, and got lucky with a fellowship for my M.A., which only required me to be a grad student instructor. I went to college to expand my knowledge base of what I thought and think was important to me, to learn and sharpen thinking skills, to become a true student of the liberal arts. After I met physical chemistry in college and it nearly killed me ( :) ) ,I gave up my pursuit of becoming an M.D., a profession that interested me not in the least because it was a way to make decent money. Hell, I've got an adult kid who is a tenured professor of a hard science at MIT, something I could *never* attain. My wife didn't go through four years of undergrad school to get her B.S., a year of grad school (accelerated placement) to get her M.S., and five years of post-grad school to get her Ph.D, so she could simply learn a trade. She did it to become more of an expert on helping people with serious mental and emotional problems. I certainly respect the talents and knowledge of others. I've worked with lots of highly skilled union craftworkers over the past few decades, and I am blown away by their abilities in their trades. I spent some time on my own learning a lot more about welding than I picked up at the summer job at a boiler factory in New Haven, enough so that after a few years of messing around, I was able to pass a journeyman's week of projects and exams and become a "full-patch" member of my union. It wasn't easy for me, but it certainly was for some of the guys which whom I attended apprenticeship classes. That's all fine. You are a fan of academia. Nothing wrong with that. I know many people who share similar quests for general knowledge. The issue at hand here is how you come across to others whose backgrounds, experience and schools are as important to them as yours is to you. Everyone deserves respect for what they do honestly and everyone has a right to have a sense of accomplishment. You seem to delight in finding fault with any path that was different from yours. Or ... do you do it on purpose? Asked and answered. I have no problem, for example, recognizing your accomplishments and even those of Gregg Fretwell and a couple of others whose posts I read here. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/4/13, 5:55 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: That's all fine. You are a fan of academia. Nothing wrong with that. I know many people who share similar quests for general knowledge. The issue at hand here is how you come across to others whose backgrounds, experience and schools are as important to them as yours is to you. Everyone deserves respect for what they do honestly and everyone has a right to have a sense of accomplishment. You seem to delight in finding fault with any path that was different from yours. Or ... do you do it on purpose? Of course he does. And why not? He catches nonsense from others here. Who knows who started it? But it's gotten old long ago. How many times have you heard the same old stories about Krause's getting a job for a KC newspaper, or Gregs's ET school? Jesus H. Christ. Gregg went to school to become an Extra Terrestrial? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. |
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On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. |
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On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller. It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic, when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals. As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane company, which sent out its unionized crew. And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller. It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic, when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals. As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane company, which sent out its unionized crew. And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic. Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept. And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised. |
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On 12/4/2013 6:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:55 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: That's all fine. You are a fan of academia. Nothing wrong with that. I know many people who share similar quests for general knowledge. The issue at hand here is how you come across to others whose backgrounds, experience and schools are as important to them as yours is to you. Everyone deserves respect for what they do honestly and everyone has a right to have a sense of accomplishment. You seem to delight in finding fault with any path that was different from yours. Or ... do you do it on purpose? Of course he does. And why not? He catches nonsense from others here. Who knows who started it? But it's gotten old long ago. How many times have you heard the same old stories about Krause's getting a job for a KC newspaper, or Gregs's ET school? Jesus H. Christ. Gregg went to school to become an Extra Terrestrial? That's funny right there. |
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On 12/4/2013 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Bill, someday you should come out of your shell and tell us what you *really* think. :-) |
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On 12/4/13, 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller. It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic, when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals. As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane company, which sent out its unionized crew. And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic. Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept. And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised. You're bitching because I responded to the questions you raised? Hehehe. Are you related to PsychoSnotty? I suspect the "word was out" on you as an employer, and that's why the unemployed wouldn't work for you, and the illegals would, because they were desperate, even though you were an off the books employer. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/4/2013 6:28 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. You never hired anyone Mr Krause and associates. You're a fraud. -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 3:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? Abstract thinking and learning new things. You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained you to avoid that. I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000 enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then, including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love. I'll jump in to make this comment: Harry, there's no question you are a very accomplished fella and value your education greatly. I think the problem some of us have is your condescending attitude about others and your perception that their backgrounds, schools, talents and/or knowledge is inferior to yours. I don't think you actually believe that .... it's just the way you come across. I guess the real question is, "Do you do it on purpose"? Perhaps I am just responding to the anti-intellectual, anti formal education bias that so pervades this newsgroup. Neither I nor any of my close friends from high school went to college to "learn a useful trade." Several of those posters here have no apparent skills in anything, yet they put down those who have tried to improve their intellectual lots in life through formal education. I wasn't a child of leisure. I paid for most of my first degree with summer jobs and academic year jobs, and got lucky with a fellowship for my M.A., which only required me to be a grad student instructor. I went to college to expand my knowledge base of what I thought and think was important to me, to learn and sharpen thinking skills, to become a true student of the liberal arts. After I met physical chemistry in college and it nearly killed me ( :) ) ,I gave up my pursuit of becoming an M.D., a profession that interested me not in the least because it was a way to make decent money. Hell, I've got an adult kid who is a tenured professor of a hard science at MIT, something I could *never* attain. My wife didn't go through four years of undergrad school to get her B.S., a year of grad school (accelerated placement) to get her M.S., and five years of post-grad school to get her Ph.D, so she could simply learn a trade. She did it to become more of an expert on helping people with serious mental and emotional problems. I certainly respect the talents and knowledge of others. I've worked with lots of highly skilled union craftworkers over the past few decades, and I am blown away by their abilities in their trades. I spent some time on my own learning a lot more about welding than I picked up at the summer job at a boiler factory in New Haven, enough so that after a few years of messing around, I was able to pass a journeyman's week of projects and exams and become a "full-patch" member of my union. It wasn't easy for me, but it certainly was for some of the guys which whom I attended apprenticeship classes. What's your point! -- Americans deserve better. |
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In article , says...
On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in technical skills you don't even get off the starting block.. You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to which you refer? Abstract thinking and learning new things. You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained you to avoid that. I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000 enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then, including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love. I was wonder where you got your peodophilic tendencies from and now I know. PL/M is a much better language than PASCAL. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller. It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic, when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals. As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane company, which sent out its unionized crew. And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic. Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept. And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised. You're bitching because I responded to the questions you raised? Hehehe. Are you related to PsychoSnotty? I suspect the "word was out" on you as an employer, and that's why the unemployed wouldn't work for you, and the illegals would, because they were desperate, even though you were an off the books employer. When I owned a business, I did not hire illegals. I hired them one time because the EDD did not send any people, or the people they sent were to lazy to show up. I at least actually hired people when I owned a business. Not brag (lie?) about hiring people with full benefits, and long vacations. Did you actually ever hire someone? Give them benefits? |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/4/2013 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Bill, someday you should come out of your shell and tell us what you *really* think. :-) Sometimes, you get fed up with Stupid. Seems as if education matters to Harry unless, it is a conservative person. I bet Newt has degrees from a higher rated university than Kansas State. For a person so full of himself, you find very little on the internet regards his CV. Other than being a spokesperson for a bunch of union money thiefs. |
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says... "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/4/2013 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Bill, someday you should come out of your shell and tell us what you *really* think. :-) Sometimes, you get fed up with Stupid. Seems as if education matters to Harry unless, it is a conservative person. I bet Newt has degrees from a higher rated university than Kansas State. For a person so full of himself, you find very little on the internet regards his CV. Other than being a spokesperson for a bunch of union money thiefs. The only thing Harry wrote for BYTE was in 1985 about a: Paradise Modular Graphics Card 321 A multifunction color/graphics card for the IBM PC Harry Krause |
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On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:13:24 PM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article , says... "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/4/2013 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Bill, someday you should come out of your shell and tell us what you *really* think. :-) Sometimes, you get fed up with Stupid. Seems as if education matters to Harry unless, it is a conservative person. I bet Newt has degrees from a higher rated university than Kansas State. For a person so full of himself, you find very little on the internet regards his CV. Other than being a spokesperson for a bunch of union money thiefs. The only thing Harry wrote for BYTE was in 1985 about a: Paradise Modular Graphics Card 321 A multifunction color/graphics card for the IBM PC Harry Krause AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahaha |
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 22:00:20 -0600, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent, creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers, sailors, et cetera. Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the military training is more practical than what you get in a university that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and never use again. When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board. It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your transcript. I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know. I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida. Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better return on investment. How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often? I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller. - - Religion: together we can find the cure. Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts. Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you may have read somewhere. I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5% of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest work ethic. Zell Miller is a lunatic. I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never hired illegals as you have. I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work! I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up. Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up. Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you, as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong, or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class, either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution. Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure, some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out. Have a nice day, liar. Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller. It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic, when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals. As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane company, which sent out its unionized crew. And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic. Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept. And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised. You're bitching because I responded to the questions you raised? Hehehe. Are you related to PsychoSnotty? I suspect the "word was out" on you as an employer, and that's why the unemployed wouldn't work for you, and the illegals would, because they were desperate, even though you were an off the books employer. When I owned a business, I did not hire illegals. I hired them one time because the EDD did not send any people, or the people they sent were to lazy to show up. I at least actually hired people when I owned a business. Not brag (lie?) about hiring people with full benefits, and long vacations. Did you actually ever hire someone? Give them benefits? Harry and his 'butt kick' get a thrill when their lies can pull a chain. Ignore. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:54:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 3:39 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:39:10 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 12/4/2013 12:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:48:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't k Military schools are taught with a particular practical application in mind. They want people who can analyse problems and fix them, sometimes without the proper parts and possibly under a lot of pressure. That is not a "theory" type skill. I did see the two philosophies side by side. In the 70s IBM experimented with hiring EEs because we could not find enough vets to handle the system 360/370 surge. It was a disaster. They may have been great in abstract thinking but we wanted guys who could think about the problem in front of them, not how we should have designed it, Of the 4 we had, 2 were simply fired, one moved on to management and the 4th went off to be a design engineer, where he was actually quite effective. That is the guy I visited on my Colorado trip. (also the guy with the Solar house in Manassas) Some of those guys spend much too much time contemplating and not enough time doing. This was one of the smartest guys I know ... but he also did 4 in the USAF after he went to college. That 1A you get the day you graduate was a scary thing in the 60s. Gee. You almost have me feeling bad for not doing more than supplying change of addresses when appropriate to my local draft board. I could have been drafted and sent to Vietnam to burn villages, women and children. That would have been...so contemplative, eh? This was the time of worrying about being in the Sargent Bilko army. LBJ was recently elected and he promised we would not go to war. Imagine that a Demoncrat president lying to the American people. |
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On 12/5/13, 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:54:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/4/13, 3:39 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:39:10 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 12/4/2013 12:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:48:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is any different than what military schools offer. If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't k Military schools are taught with a particular practical application in mind. They want people who can analyse problems and fix them, sometimes without the proper parts and possibly under a lot of pressure. That is not a "theory" type skill. I did see the two philosophies side by side. In the 70s IBM experimented with hiring EEs because we could not find enough vets to handle the system 360/370 surge. It was a disaster. They may have been great in abstract thinking but we wanted guys who could think about the problem in front of them, not how we should have designed it, Of the 4 we had, 2 were simply fired, one moved on to management and the 4th went off to be a design engineer, where he was actually quite effective. That is the guy I visited on my Colorado trip. (also the guy with the Solar house in Manassas) Some of those guys spend much too much time contemplating and not enough time doing. This was one of the smartest guys I know ... but he also did 4 in the USAF after he went to college. That 1A you get the day you graduate was a scary thing in the 60s. Gee. You almost have me feeling bad for not doing more than supplying change of addresses when appropriate to my local draft board. I could have been drafted and sent to Vietnam to burn villages, women and children. That would have been...so contemplative, eh? This was the time of worrying about being in the Sargent Bilko army. LBJ was recently elected and he promised we would not go to war. The reality is that within a couple of days after inheriting the presidency, Johnson made strong statements about stopping Communism in SE Asia and well before the 1964 presidential elections had started sending thousands of troops to Vietnam. There were about 18,000 US troops there before the end of 1964 and a couple of hundred thousand by the end of 1965. I was still getting my undergrad degree, and no one thought we still had a "Sargent Bilko" army. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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