On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career.
I don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I
don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made
Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected
by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I
don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made
Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected
by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left.


There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.

On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got
promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I
don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made
Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected
by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left.


There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.


More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/3/2013 4:14 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got
promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military
career. I
don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made
Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected
by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left.


There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.



More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them.



Not quite. Little "marching" is done in the Navy. The ETs aboard ship
pretty much had it made and called their own shots most of the time.
Usually nobody, including the CO and XO knew what the heck they did or
how they did it.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got
promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I
don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made
Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected
by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left.


There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.


More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them.



They had actually worked for a living, and knew how to not abuse the
workers. Plus they had a better knowledge of how to fix electronic.

On 12/3/2013 4:14 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got
promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military
career. I
don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made
Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected
by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left.


There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.


More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them.


Funny, coming from a union drone.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/3/2013 9:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:14:05 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.


More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them.

Again your overpriced education has failed you. They don't have a lot
of that spit shine crap in a Navy electronics school, certainly
nothing like an academy or even a gung ho ROTC unit.

They are giving you knowledge at a much faster tempo that you got in
college and there were consequences for failure.
They don't waste a lot of time with the Gomer Pyle stuff



It has been awhile but I attended both branches of the old Navy "ET"
school (both the communications branch and the radar branch). For a
while I was one of a few that were both an "ETN" and an "ETR" at the
same time. I also took many courses at civilian colleges and
universities while in the Navy and after I left military service.

The Navy ET school typically covered a particular subject in two - three
weeks that the university curriculum would cover in a semester. The Navy
school also often covered the material in more depth. It is (or was) a
very intense but efficient method of teaching electronic circuit
design, function and troubleshooting techniques down to the component
level.

Not to brag but the college and university courses I took over the years
that were electronics related were a breeze for me thanks to the Navy
schools. I had more trouble with Accounting II.

On 12/3/2013 9:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 9:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:14:05 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For
purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.


More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them.

Again your overpriced education has failed you. They don't have a lot
of that spit shine crap in a Navy electronics school, certainly
nothing like an academy or even a gung ho ROTC unit.

They are giving you knowledge at a much faster tempo that you got in
college and there were consequences for failure.
They don't waste a lot of time with the Gomer Pyle stuff



It has been awhile but I attended both branches of the old Navy "ET"
school (both the communications branch and the radar branch). For a
while I was one of a few that were both an "ETN" and an "ETR" at the
same time. I also took many courses at civilian colleges and
universities while in the Navy and after I left military service.

The Navy ET school typically covered a particular subject in two - three
weeks that the university curriculum would cover in a semester. The Navy
school also often covered the material in more depth. It is (or was) a
very intense but efficient method of teaching electronic circuit
design, function and troubleshooting techniques down to the component
level.

Not to brag but the college and university courses I took over the years
that were electronics related were a breeze for me thanks to the Navy
schools. I had more trouble with Accounting II.



But Harry went to college too. That's gotta count for something.

--
Americans deserve better.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:02:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:14:05 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.


More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them.

Again your overpriced education has failed you. They don't have a lot
of that spit shine crap in a Navy electronics school, certainly
nothing like an academy or even a gung ho ROTC unit.

They are giving you knowledge at a much faster tempo that you got in
college and there were consequences for failure.
They don't waste a lot of time with the Gomer Pyle stuff

Harry will never get it, or admit getting it if he does. To acknowledge that there may be some
'good' somewhere in the military would go against his liberal grain.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!