On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:46:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 11:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Or get an Apple and . .


... not own a computer, just an appliance.


I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator.

That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to
do with your appliance.

My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was
telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got
interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple
hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has
Windows and Android machines now.



At some point in the past four years I install iTunes on my PC. Oh ...
it was when I got an iPad and wanted to transfer music files or
something to it. Never used it much however.

But I still occasionally get annoying popups when I first start my
computer from iTunes wanting to upgrade something. I thought I had
deleted it ... in fact I know I did, but the popups still show up from
time to time. It's like trying to get rid of Norton years ago. Even if
you uninstalled the main Norton program certain remnants remained that
kept trying to get you to reinstall it. I forget how it was done but a
computer geek friend of mine finally got rid of *all* the Norton related
files and the unwanted invitations stopped.

I never understood why I would ever want I tunes. It is a proprietary
music format with copy restrictions and music that is more expensive
than Amazon (assuming you actually pay anything at all). There is
plenty of free content on the web. If nothing else you can just clip
the audio off of YouTube but lots of artists have free content on
their sites.

As long as you have your ID3 tags set up right, handling the files is
easy. I usually just use create M3U files for my playlists and
virtually any player can use them.



That's not the issue. I don't buy music files from iTunes. iTunes is
required and used for more than just "getting" music files. You have to
have iTunes installed on a PC in order to transfer files from it to an iPad.



My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:10:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.


My little Ipod stays in the trailer, hooked up to the stereo inside. It gets used a lot, but not
synced with more music a lot. Hell, it's got about 1200 Bluegrass songs on it now which is plenty
for any camping trip.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?


I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you
*have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to
an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer
it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other
services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused.

That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did*
use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever.

Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven
company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in
recent years.

On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?


I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you
*have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to
an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer
it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other
services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused.

That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did*
use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever.

Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven
company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in
recent years.


Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't
recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/22/2013 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?


I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you
*have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to
an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer
it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other
services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused.

That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did*
use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take
forever.

Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven
company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in
recent years.


Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't
recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email.



The Microsoft Windows updates are mostly security related and don't
radically change how your computer looks, feels or acts. The iPad OS
updates are like starting all over again, similar to when you first
bought and used it. It also asks for you Apple ID and password each
time, which I can never remember because I rarely use anything Apple.

The last time I updated the OS on the iPad (about a month an a half
ago) I wasn't sure it was even going to run and the screen looked
totally different when it finally finished.

I guess I am just used to PCs and Window operating systems. Apple used
to have a reputation of being simple and intuitive in it's use. Not so
much anymore, IMO.

On 11/22/13, 10:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices,
etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?


I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you
*have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to
an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer
it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other
services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused.

That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did*
use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take
forever.

Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven
company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in
recent years.


Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't
recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email.



The Microsoft Windows updates are mostly security related and don't
radically change how your computer looks, feels or acts. The iPad OS
updates are like starting all over again, similar to when you first
bought and used it. It also asks for you Apple ID and password each
time, which I can never remember because I rarely use anything Apple.

The last time I updated the OS on the iPad (about a month an a half
ago) I wasn't sure it was even going to run and the screen looked
totally different when it finally finished.

I guess I am just used to PCs and Window operating systems. Apple used
to have a reputation of being simple and intuitive in it's use. Not so
much anymore, IMO.



The iPad updates take no longer to install, since it is the same OS,
than the iPhone updates. Just a couple of minutes. Apple releases a few
IOS updates a year to fix bugs and sometimes add features and update
apps. The update to IOS 7 you installed a month and a half ago was a
major update from Version 6 to Version 7 and had some significant
changes to the way the operating system looks. There's plenty of simple
documentation available on line from Apple and many other sources.

Asking for your ID and PW is just a security measure. I have mine set to
something simple.

What model iPad do you have?



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?

He's trying to say it will run your life if you submit to it,
which,apparently, you have.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 11/22/2013 9:40 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?

He's trying to say it will run your life if you submit to it,
which,apparently, you have.


Yeah, we have an ITunes user here in our home.. Sucks for her, none of
her music runs on the usual music delivery systems (mp3) we run in the
camp site....