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Florida Junk Insurance?
That Florida woman's canceled Blue Cross policy? It's junk insurance. She can get a real plan for only $165 a month Published: October 29, 2013 06:33 PM Did you recently get a notice saying that your insurance company is canceling your policy because it doesn't meet the new health law's higher standards? Thousands of people are, and many are angry about it. But before you rush to judgment, it might not be as bad as it seems. Consider the case of Diane Barrette, a 56-year-old woman from Winter Haven, Fla. Her story was featured in this CBS News report and endlessly echoed on the Internet. She was upset because Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida was canceling her $54-a-month “GoBlue plan 91” and offering to replace it with a $591-a-month “Blue Options Essential plan.” Sounds terrible—except that Barrette’s expiring policy is a textbook example of a junk plan that isn’t real health insurance at all. If she had ever tried to use it for anything more than an occasional doctor visit or inexpensive prescription, she would have ended up with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical debt. Here are some of the gory details. (You can see the rest for yourself on this complete plan summary from the insurance company.) The plan pays only the first $50 of doctor visits, leaving Ms. Barrette to pay the rest. Specialist visits can cost several hundred dollars. Only the first $15 of a prescription is covered. Some prescriptions can cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars a month The plan only pays for hospitalization for "complications of pregnancy," which are unlikely given Ms. Barrette's age and in any event only the first $50 is covered. It pays $50 for a mammogram that can cost several hundred dollars, and only pays $50 apiece for advanced imaging tests such as MRIs and CT scans and then only when used for osteoporosis screening. "She's paying $650 a year to be uninsured," Karen Pollitz, an insurance expert at the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation, said. "I have to assume that she never really had to make much of a claim under this policy. She would have lost the house she's sitting in if something serious had happened. I don't know if she knows that." In fact, had Blue Cross Blue Shield allowed her to keep the plan, she would have been fined for going uninsured in 2014. Limited plans such as these are considered "excepted benefits" that don't fulfill the new obligation to have health coverage. Okay, but can't we be outraged that Ms. Barrette will have to fork over $591 a month for a replacement plan? Actually, no, because she has other and better options than the costly plan Blue Cross Blue Shield wants to put her in. She get real insurance that covers all essential health benefits for well under $200 a month. She has said her income is about $30,000 a year. It would be nice to look up her choices on HealthCare.gov, which is running the marketplace in Florida. But you can't do that without actually applying for coverage. So, using tools available through eHealthinsurance.com (I'll walk you through this useful resource tomorrow), I determined that she qualifies for a premium subsidy of $320 a month. She can use that to purchase a Humana Direct Silver 4600/6300 plan for $165 a month. Like all plans sold in the state Health Insurance Marketplaces, it covers essential health benefits such as doctor visits, inpatient and outpatient treatments, diagnostic and screening tests, maternity care, mental health care, prescription drugs, home health care, and rehabilitation services. It's not the most generous plan in the world. The deductible is $4,600 and the only things the plan pays for outside the deductible are preventive services, the first $500 of diagnostic lab tests and x-rays in the year, and "diagnostic" office visits, meaning going to the doctor because you're feeling awful and need to know what's wrong. Visits for treatment are subject to the deductible. There's a separate $1,500 deductible for prescription drugs, after which there's a copay of $10 for generics and $50 for brand-name drugs. Once you've run up $6,300 in out-of-pocket expenses, the plan picks up 100 percent of your costs for the rest of the year. To put these two plans in perspective, let's imagine that Ms. Barrette's luck runs out and she receives a diagnosis of breast cancer that will cost $120,000 to treat. Under her current junk plan, she would probably receive no more than a few hundred dollars of benefits for doctor visits and drugs. It wouldn't cover her surgery, her chemotherapy, her many expensive medications, or the repeated diagnostic tests she'd likely require. She would end up with probably $119,000 of unpaid medical bills. With the Humana plan, those bills top out at $6,300 a year, no matter what. Got a question for our health insurance expert? Ask it here. It helps if you include the state you live in. —Nancy Metcalf http://tinyurl.com/oj2luw4 -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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Florida Junk Insurance?
On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. |
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On 11/1/2013 8:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/1/2013 8:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on pikes. Funny stuff from you Harry. I distinctly recall you calling out as BS some people's claims that we were moving towards socialism during the last two elections. Now you admit we are. The rest of us already knew as did he. Unfortunately, like our President has a bit of a problem with the truth... |
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True North wrote:
On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. We are nowhere near socialism. |
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On 11/1/2013 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:36:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on pikes. If the middle class was willing to pay Don's taxes, the problems would be solved ... but they aren't The politician who would propose German or Scandinavian tax rates would be run out of town on a rail. But one that's putting us there and lying about it, is considered a King!?? |
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On 11/1/2013 8:52 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. You have no choice if you choose to remain in Canuckistan. |
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On 11/1/2013 9:10 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. We are nowhere near socialism. Are you bragging or complaining? |
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In article , says...
On 11/1/2013 9:46 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:36:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on pikes. If the middle class was willing to pay Don's taxes, the problems would be solved ... but they aren't The politician who would propose German or Scandinavian tax rates would be run out of town on a rail. But one that's putting us there and lying about it, is considered a King!?? He's President of the United States, dip****. |
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On 2 Nov 2013 01:10:21 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:
True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. We are nowhere near socialism. Pray more and with more feeling. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... |
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:56:57 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... Don, your silence speaks volumes! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 11/2/13, 1:56 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... You wouldn't want to live in the sort of world Herring desires. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/2/2013 1:10 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! speaking of a dress, have you seen Donnie in his kilt? |
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On 11/2/2013 1:56 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... My guess is that you are enthralled with your socialism. |
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On 11/2/2013 2:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/2/13, 1:56 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... You wouldn't want to live in the sort of world Herring desires. Here's a thought. Why don't you move to Canada where things are already as you like them? |
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:45:40 -0400, Hank© wrote:
On 11/2/2013 1:10 PM, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! speaking of a dress, have you seen Donnie in his kilt? Not yet. I'm sure he'd look great, 'cause he's probably got a very muscular, well-built body, given his comments about others. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 11/2/2013 6:54 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 11/1/2013 8:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on pikes. You are so sick. He drools and giggles as he writes this stuff, thinks he's sharing his misery with others... |
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On 11/2/2013 8:03 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:33:13 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. I don't see that happening for at least one or two more liberal regimes. Even then there will be such dependence on the government by so many that it will be very tough for a Republican to be elected, unless his plank is to give away the farm. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's been the plan all along. Nobody remember Vincente Fox (sp?) from Mexico telling his people to come up here, and raise lot's of little voters....? |
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On 11/2/2013 8:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 11/1/2013 9:46 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:36:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on pikes. If the middle class was willing to pay Don's taxes, the problems would be solved ... but they aren't The politician who would propose German or Scandinavian tax rates would be run out of town on a rail. But one that's putting us there and lying about it, is considered a King!?? He's President of the United States, dip****. I didn't ask you bitch... |
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On 11/2/2013 12:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/2/13, 12:35 PM, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? The right-wingers desire an Islamic-like, religious government. Bull****, period... |
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On 11/2/2013 2:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/2/13, 1:56 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... You wouldn't want to live in the sort of world Herring desires. Neither of you would, or could for that matter.... |
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On 11/2/13, 8:20 PM, Charlemagne wrote:
On 11/2/2013 2:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/2/13, 1:56 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... You wouldn't want to live in the sort of world Herring desires. Neither of you would, or could for that matter.... Indeed, a christian theocracy would be a disgusting place in which to live. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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F.O.A.D. wrote:
True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. We are nowhere near socialism. That's your wife's property bill tax bill - one that will be paid. |
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In article , says...
On 11/2/2013 2:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/2/13, 1:56 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... You wouldn't want to live in the sort of world Herring desires. Neither of you would, or could for that matter.... I sure wouldn't. Remember now, your buddy John has defended parts of the Bible as untrue. |
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In article , says...
On 11/2/2013 8:03 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:33:13 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. I don't see that happening for at least one or two more liberal regimes. Even then there will be such dependence on the government by so many that it will be very tough for a Republican to be elected, unless his plank is to give away the farm. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's been the plan all along. Nobody remember Vincente Fox (sp?) from Mexico telling his people to come up here, and raise lot's of little voters....? Cite? |
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In article , says...
On 11/2/2013 8:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 11/1/2013 9:46 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:36:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on pikes. If the middle class was willing to pay Don's taxes, the problems would be solved ... but they aren't The politician who would propose German or Scandinavian tax rates would be run out of town on a rail. But one that's putting us there and lying about it, is considered a King!?? He's President of the United States, dip****. I didn't ask you bitch... Damn that jawbone's making you post low class crap again... |
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In article , says...
On 11/2/2013 12:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/2/13, 12:35 PM, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? The right-wingers desire an Islamic-like, religious government. Bull****, period... http://tinyurl.com/m9nfn35 http://www.theocracywatch.org/ http://www.spectacle.org/297/fairiss.html |
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On 11/3/13, 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 11/2/2013 2:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/2/13, 1:56 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:10:02 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:35:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: 7uu`In article , says... On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Ain't gonna work. Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing crazies are voted out of congress. This gets back to what I said earlier. "Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around next time. You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life. Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what some actor tells them to do.. Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools. I use neither. Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests. Just think, if you had that Islamic government you desire, your property taxes would be building mosques and Islamic schools. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Who "desires" an Islamic government? I was addressing Don White. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Were you now, Johnny. In that case.. cite where I desire an Islamic government... You wouldn't want to live in the sort of world Herring desires. Neither of you would, or could for that matter.... I sure wouldn't. Remember now, your buddy John has defended parts of the Bible as untrue. What? Parts of the bible are...NOT TRUE? Are you sure? :) Which parts are true? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/1/2013 4:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
That Florida woman's canceled Blue Cross policy? It's junk insurance. She can get a real plan for only $165 a month The silver plan starts at $300 and goes as high as $600. So, using tools available through eHealthinsurance.com (I'll walk you through this useful resource tomorrow), I determined that she qualifies for a premium subsidy of $320 a month. She can use that to purchase a Humana Direct Silver 4600/6300 plan for $165 a month. It is just wonderful to see another welfare plan fired up. This particular women get $320 a month for her health insurance. I noticed all the democrats bragging about the low cost of these plans for their constituents, not mentioning that someone else is paying part of their premium. BTW, Does anyone have a link to show where this subsidy money comes from? What are the chances we will have 50 million people collecting on this new welfare program? Mikek Grandfathered in at $633 mo. O'care is $1311 for the bronze plan, with the welfare payment included. |
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On 11/3/2013 6:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/3/13, 4:45 PM, amdx wrote: On 11/1/2013 4:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: That Florida woman's canceled Blue Cross policy? It's junk insurance. She can get a real plan for only $165 a month The silver plan starts at $300 and goes as high as $600. So, using tools available through eHealthinsurance.com (I'll walk you through this useful resource tomorrow), I determined that she qualifies for a premium subsidy of $320 a month. She can use that to purchase a Humana Direct Silver 4600/6300 plan for $165 a month. It is just wonderful to see another welfare plan fired up. This particular women get $320 a month for her health insurance. I noticed all the democrats bragging about the low cost of these plans for their constituents, not mentioning that someone else is paying part of their premium. BTW, Does anyone have a link to show where this subsidy money comes from? What are the chances we will have 50 million people collecting on this new welfare program? Mikek Grandfathered in at $633 mo. O'care is $1311 for the bronze plan, with the welfare payment included. What's your solution for people who can't afford medical insurance or medical care? Don't tell me the ER, because that doesn't work if you need more than stabilization a relatively minor condition. So, what's your solution, let 'em die? Oh, and who do you think pays for the care those who can't pay get? The tooth fairy? Religion: together we can find the cure. Why are you asking MikeK for the solution? It's O'bama's job to get us out of the mess he's made. |
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