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On 10/30/13, 1:15 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article 806766116404844665.516508bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 695749085404838580.214861bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 2062315766404769488.322548bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1391042605404757489.225043bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 484707262404689651.841306bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1925679223404673696.334240bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote: Hank© wrote: On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Let?s see? $350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds. But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... snerk If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior high school designed and programmed them. How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high school designer/programmer? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring. Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages "talk" to each other... Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or two.... probably less... You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance... That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done all of the time, all over the world! Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software. Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and get any throughput. Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space. takes the computing power. Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games. Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD. Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program. BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory. That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update. If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D BIM modeling is a perfect example. How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling? Quite a few. How many business are running a Windows machine for CAD design? Millions upon millions. Not major CAD. Horse****! Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX based systems. You stupid fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors Sometime in the early 1980s, I had a client in Virginia who developed and was marketing a pretty sophisticated CADD program for architects. It ran on IBM PC type machines. There were also a couple of pretty sophisticated engineering CAD programs out there for PCs. There still are! They started out as DOS programs and remain DOS based, running under Windows. |
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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 806766116404844665.516508bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 695749085404838580.214861bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 2062315766404769488.322548bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1391042605404757489.225043bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 484707262404689651.841306bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1925679223404673696.334240bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote: Hank© wrote: On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Let?s see? $350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds. But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... snerk If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior high school designed and programmed them. How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high school designer/programmer? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring. Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages "talk" to each other... Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or two.... probably less... You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance... That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done all of the time, all over the world! Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software. Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and get any throughput. Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space. takes the computing power. Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games. Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD. Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program. BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory. That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update. If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D BIM modeling is a perfect example. How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling? Quite a few. How many business are running a Windows machine for CAD design? Millions upon millions. Not major CAD. Horse****! Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX based systems. You stupid fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors Minor cad programs |
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In article 143435683404854845.270047bmckeenospam-
, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 806766116404844665.516508bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 695749085404838580.214861bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 2062315766404769488.322548bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1391042605404757489.225043bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 484707262404689651.841306bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1925679223404673696.334240bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote: Hank© wrote: On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Let?s see? $350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds. But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... snerk If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior high school designed and programmed them. How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high school designer/programmer? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring. Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages "talk" to each other... Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or two.... probably less... You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance... That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done all of the time, all over the world! Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software. Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and get any throughput. Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space. takes the computing power. Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games. Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD. Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program. BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory. That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update. If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D BIM modeling is a perfect example. How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling? Quite a few. How many business are running a Windows machine for CAD design? Millions upon millions. Not major CAD. Horse****! Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX based systems. You stupid fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors Minor cad programs You stupid fool!!!!!! The list is all major cad programs in the world!!!!! What a dolt!!!! |
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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 143435683404854845.270047bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 806766116404844665.516508bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 695749085404838580.214861bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 2062315766404769488.322548bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1391042605404757489.225043bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 484707262404689651.841306bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1925679223404673696.334240bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote: Hank© wrote: On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Let?s see? $350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds. But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... snerk If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior high school designed and programmed them. How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high school designer/programmer? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring. Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages "talk" to each other... Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or two.... probably less... You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance... That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done all of the time, all over the world! Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software. Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and get any throughput. Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space. takes the computing power. Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games. Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD. Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program. BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory. That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update. If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D BIM modeling is a perfect example. How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling? Quite a few. How many business are running a Windows machine for CAD design? Millions upon millions. Not major CAD. Horse****! Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX based systems. You stupid fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors Minor cad programs You stupid fool!!!!!! The list is all major cad programs in the world!!!!! What a dolt!!!! How many real engineers will trust their work to a MS Windows machine? |
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On 10/30/13, 7:08 PM, Califbill wrote:
iBoaterer wrote: You stupid fool!!!!!! The list is all major cad programs in the world!!!!! What a dolt!!!! How many real engineers will trust their work to a MS Windows machine? I know a couple of engineers who do a lot of CADD work on Windows computers. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 10/30/2013 7:08 PM, Califbill wrote:
iBoaterer wrote: In article 143435683404854845.270047bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 806766116404844665.516508bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 695749085404838580.214861bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 2062315766404769488.322548bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1391042605404757489.225043bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 484707262404689651.841306bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1925679223404673696.334240bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote: Hank© wrote: On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Let?s see? $350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds. But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... snerk If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior high school designed and programmed them. How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high school designer/programmer? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring. Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages "talk" to each other... Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or two.... probably less... You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance... That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done all of the time, all over the world! Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software. Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and get any throughput. Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space. takes the computing power. Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games. Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD. Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program. BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory. That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update. If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D BIM modeling is a perfect example. How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling? Quite a few. How many business are running a Windows machine for CAD design? Millions upon millions. Not major CAD. Horse****! Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX based systems. You stupid fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors Minor cad programs You stupid fool!!!!!! The list is all major cad programs in the world!!!!! What a dolt!!!! How many real engineers will trust their work to a MS Windows machine? INCO LTD dba TurboProducts (fortune 500 company) used Cadkey for their design work. They made blades for General Electric land based turbine engines. Cadkey and the whole network we set up there ran Windoze:) TurboCad, Rhino, Autocad, all ran on Windoze, over a decade ago. I have noticed Bill, you are somewhat like the guys I ran into getting into cars years ago. Gifted carburetor mechanics who never really picked up on the whole digital fuel injection thing.. Or programmers back in the 80's who had worked on every thing from card systems to C++ but hand them a Windows system and they were as useful as useless as those carb mechanics with a Oscilloscope and a port fuel injection run ability problem....:) Just sayin, I think you may have pidgeon holed yourself with the complex systems you have worked on but I suspect they are somewhat proprietary and unique, as you seem to not be up to speed on what all else is out there.. Just a personal opinion/observation, not trying to start anything, I understand you do what you do much better than I ever could. I have however been watching this conversation and trying to see how to enter without seeming to back the other asshole.... |
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Charlemagne wrote:
On 10/30/2013 7:08 PM, Califbill wrote: iBoaterer wrote: In article 143435683404854845.270047bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 806766116404844665.516508bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 695749085404838580.214861bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 2062315766404769488.322548bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1391042605404757489.225043bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 484707262404689651.841306bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 1925679223404673696.334240bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote: Hank© wrote: On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Let?s see? $350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds. But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... snerk If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior high school designed and programmed them. How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high school designer/programmer? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring. Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages "talk" to each other... Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or two.... probably less... You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance... That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done all of the time, all over the world! Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software. Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and get any throughput. Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space. takes the computing power. Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games. Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD. Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program. BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory. That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update. If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D BIM modeling is a perfect example. How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling? Quite a few. How many business are running a Windows machine for CAD design? Millions upon millions. Not major CAD. Horse****! Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX based systems. You stupid fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors Minor cad programs You stupid fool!!!!!! The list is all major cad programs in the world!!!!! What a dolt!!!! How many real engineers will trust their work to a MS Windows machine? INCO LTD dba TurboProducts (fortune 500 company) used Cadkey for their design work. They made blades for General Electric land based turbine engines. Cadkey and the whole network we set up there ran Windoze:) TurboCad, Rhino, Autocad, all ran on Windoze, over a decade ago. I have noticed Bill, you are somewhat like the guys I ran into getting into cars years ago. Gifted carburetor mechanics who never really picked up on the whole digital fuel injection thing.. Or programmers back in the 80's who had worked on every thing from card systems to C++ but hand them a Windows system and they were as useful as useless as those carb mechanics with a Oscilloscope and a port fuel injection run ability problem....:) Just sayin, I think you may have pidgeon holed yourself with the complex systems you have worked on but I suspect they are somewhat proprietary and unique, as you seem to not be up to speed on what all else is out there.. Just a personal opinion/observation, not trying to start anything, I understand you do what you do much better than I ever could. I have however been watching this conversation and trying to see how to enter without seeming to back the other asshole.... I was also a windows programmer. We used Sun systems in the old days as they out performed the slug called Windows. Now PC are much faster but better operating systems than Windows. |
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On Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:33:47 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/27/13, 8:24 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 10/27/13, 3:49 PM, Charlemagne wrote: On 10/27/2013 3:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 10/27/2013 3:40 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 10/27/13, 3:29 PM, Charlemagne wrote: On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Let’s see… $350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds. But…$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn’t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don’t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... Yeah, because I can tell you have the expertise to make such pronouncements by the quality, snazzy features, and purloined copy and photos on your amateurish iDesign website that apparently hasn't been updated for many years. Show us something better, that you designed. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com I seriously doubt harry has done anything more than organize his movie collection and post to usenet, he's real good at posting to usenet... I'm not stupid enough to post the URLs of websites I've designed or manage or both in this snake pit of jerks who would like nothing better than to create problems for other users. Apparently your buddy FlaJim thinks his posts to usenet need virus scanning. What they really need is stench scanning. You posted pictures and text to a web page with standard web building software. You did not write the software. Scotty could not write the code to run the ACA software either. You don't know what I used to build the pages I programmed and manage. You don't either, because you have never used specific programs to build a web site. |
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But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word. HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write the site as a senior project in a couple semesters.... snerk If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior high school designed and programmed them. How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high school designer/programmer? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring. Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages "talk" to each other... Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or two.... probably less... You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance... That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done all of the time, all over the world! Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software. Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and get any throughput. Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space. takes the computing power. Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games. Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD. Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program. BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory. That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update. If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D BIM modeling is a perfect example. How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling? Quite a few. How many business are running a Windows machine for CAD design? Millions upon millions. Not major CAD. Horse****! Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX based systems. You stupid fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors Minor cad programs You stupid fool!!!!!! The list is all major cad programs in the world!!!!! What a dolt!!!! How many real engineers will trust their work to a MS Windows machine? Millions upon millions. |
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