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Califbill October 24th 13 06:56 PM

Good news for middle America
 
iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!


What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.


What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]


Why don't the Indians get an education and jobs? Maybe it is government
handout dependence. Sort of like Chicago inner city 76% male school
dropout rate and a dependence on monthly government handouts. No incentive
to work.

Califbill October 24th 13 06:56 PM

Good news for middle America
 
iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!


With all due respect, sir, I read, "...when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually."

Perhaps you missed that?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Do the words "as high as" have any meaning to you?


Your failure to read and comprehend is showing. The comment by you was
"
It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!! "


Not about how much money was received each year. And then you defeat your
own posit by posting a statement of payouts to each member.
"
payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually."

"

Your should read and understand what you post.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 24th 13 06:59 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....


Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.


Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 24th 13 07:01 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article 1426625823404328806.013374bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.


What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]


Why don't the Indians get an education and jobs? Maybe it is government
handout dependence. Sort of like Chicago inner city 76% male school
dropout rate and a dependence on monthly government handouts. No incentive
to work.


Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?

iBoaterer[_4_] October 24th 13 07:02 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article 1651132864404328495.197326bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

With all due respect, sir, I read, "...when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually."

Perhaps you missed that?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Do the words "as high as" have any meaning to you?


Your failure to read and comprehend is showing. The comment by you was
"
It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!! "


Not about how much money was received each year. And then you defeat your
own posit by posting a statement of payouts to each member.
"
payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually."

"

Your should read and understand what you post.


Speaking of which, I can't even begin to follow your scribblings
above....

Califbill October 24th 13 07:22 PM

Good news for middle America
 
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1426625823404328806.013374bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]


Why don't the Indians get an education and jobs? Maybe it is government
handout dependence. Sort of like Chicago inner city 76% male school
dropout rate and a dependence on monthly government handouts. No incentive
to work.


Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?


How about with the amount of money we have tossed at the problem, they
create a job center? Manufacturing jobs. Assembly jobs. Compete with
those z3rd world places taking our jobs. They already live is squalor
according to you, so at least get job skills. What is your solution?

Califbill October 24th 13 07:22 PM

Good news for middle America
 
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....


Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.


Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.


How many for the trillions spent on the war on poverty? Sort of like the
drug war. We have lost both. What is your suggestion? Throw more money
at the problem? And if it is that, where should we get the mone.

Califbill October 24th 13 07:31 PM

Good news for middle America
 
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1651132864404328495.197326bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

With all due respect, sir, I read, "...when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually."

Perhaps you missed that?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Do the words "as high as" have any meaning to you?


Your failure to read and comprehend is showing. The comment by you was
"
It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!! "


Not about how much money was received each year. And then you defeat your
own posit by posting a statement of payouts to each member.
"
payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually."

"

Your should read and understand what you post.


Speaking of which, I can't even begin to follow your scribblings
above....


Follow the quotes for what you posted and then take a reading comprehension
course.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 24th 13 08:07 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article 1818011097404330633.862971bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....

Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.


Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.


How many for the trillions spent on the war on poverty? Sort of like the
drug war. We have lost both. What is your suggestion? Throw more money
at the problem? And if it is that, where should we get the mone.


The place to start is to try and educate the ignorant on why racism,
bigotry and general anti-trust is just that, blind ignorance. You can
look at you and the right wingers here and just see by their bigotry
that THEY certainly wouldn't trust nor hire someone who's been on
assistance....

Charlemagne October 24th 13 08:53 PM

Good news for middle America
 
On 10/24/2013 1:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....


Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.


Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.


No, typical progressive rhetoric. You are asking someone to give the
benefit of the doubt to others, that you will not give me.. You still
insisting I don't work, support my family etc, just because I had some
issues I am working my way out of. Sounds like you are just another
hypocritical progressive (sorry, redundant)...

Califbill October 24th 13 09:38 PM

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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1818011097404330633.862971bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....

Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.

Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.


How many for the trillions spent on the war on poverty? Sort of like the
drug war. We have lost both. What is your suggestion? Throw more money
at the problem? And if it is that, where should we get the mone.


The place to start is to try and educate the ignorant on why racism,
bigotry and general anti-trust is just that, blind ignorance. You can
look at you and the right wingers here and just see by their bigotry
that THEY certainly wouldn't trust nor hire someone who's been on
assistance....


The funny thing is I bet you never hired anybody on welfare, or for that
matter anybody for a job. I hired a lot of lower income people over the
years. Lots were not very good workers, a few were. I and a partner owned
a medium sized porta potty business years ago. So we dealt with both full
time employees and casual labor. Plus I had a black fishing partner for
years. So where is the racism, bigotry. Unfortunately my partner gave up
fishing because of health reasons and has since passed away. Still see and
help his wife and family. I am a fiscal conservative. Why do you want to
spend the grand kids and great grand kids legacy? You want no pain from
bad life choices? Want the kids to have the pain instead of you? If you
are still working and worked for me and spent as much time as you do on the
internet during the day, you would replaced!

John H[_2_] October 25th 13 12:06 AM

Good news for middle America
 
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:01:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 1426625823404328806.013374bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]


Why don't the Indians get an education and jobs? Maybe it is government
handout dependence. Sort of like Chicago inner city 76% male school
dropout rate and a dependence on monthly government handouts. No incentive
to work.


Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?


Is the same true for the welfare recipients in Chicago?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



John H[_2_] October 25th 13 12:45 AM

Good news for middle America
 
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:27:30 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:22:36 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?


How about with the amount of money we have tossed at the problem, they
create a job center? Manufacturing jobs. Assembly jobs. Compete with
those z3rd world places taking our jobs. They already live is squalor
according to you, so at least get job skills. What is your solution?


If they are making $33k a year on the government dole, why would they
take a $15 an hour job doing anything?

(kevin cited "The US Census reports that the median income of
households based on a three-year average from 2003-2005 was $33,627.)


Especially if they can live in free housing with free electricity and water.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Califbill October 25th 13 03:48 AM

Good news for middle America
 
John H wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:01:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 1426625823404328806.013374bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

Why don't the Indians get an education and jobs? Maybe it is government
handout dependence. Sort of like Chicago inner city 76% male school
dropout rate and a dependence on monthly government handouts. No incentive
to work.


Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?


Is the same true for the welfare recipients in Chicago?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Cannon de Chelly is not that far from Las Vegas. They could go there to
work. All those people taking care of elderly relatives? How do white
people handle elderly relatives?

Califbill October 25th 13 08:02 AM

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wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:48:04 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Cannon de Chelly is not that far from Las Vegas. They could go there to
work. All those people taking care of elderly relatives? How do white
people handle elderly relatives?



You mean this place?
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20Mexic...e%20chelly.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20Mexic...20dwelling.jpg

There did not seem to be much employment there. They were taking $10 a
head to walk down into the valley and when you got there there were
indians selling beads and craft items.

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.


We actually hired a local through the visitor center and we drove in
buddy's 4x4 Burb on a tour of the valley. Got a lot of info on the living
conditions and attitudes. Our guides mom was one of the first native
doctors, and his wife was a school teacher. He had little desire other
than raise horses.

[email protected] October 25th 13 12:00 PM

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On Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:17:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



In article ,


says...




On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:




In article ,


says...




On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:




Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.


That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.




Cite?




You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member




http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income


The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar


because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling


distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member


were as high as $160,000 annually.




Not a bad living just for being an indian.




That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with


the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!




What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000


annually." is so hard for you to understand?




"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,




The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.




The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about


his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get


the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is


about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail


a while tho.




What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.




Since when is the truth "blather"?



I agree some indians are not doing well but I referenced that in my

note to Wayne last night.

The indians who are doing the worst are the ones who lived on a

government dole for the last 140 years or so.



Welfare is a virtually inescapable trap for most who get caught up in

it. .

The left refuses to learn that lesson in spite of many examples over

time.


When the white man first came to these lands, *all* Indians were unemployed and lived in what we now call poverty.

Seems that they've taken a few small steps forward.

F.O.A.D. October 25th 13 12:39 PM

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On 10/25/13, 7:00 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:17:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



In article ,


says...



On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:




In article ,


says...



On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:




Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.


That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.




Cite?




You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member




http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income

The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar


because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling


distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member


were as high as $160,000 annually.




Not a bad living just for being an indian.




That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with


the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!




What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000


annually." is so hard for you to understand?




"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,




The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.




The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about


his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get


the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is


about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail


a while tho.




What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.




Since when is the truth "blather"?



I agree some indians are not doing well but I referenced that in my

note to Wayne last night.

The indians who are doing the worst are the ones who lived on a

government dole for the last 140 years or so.



Welfare is a virtually inescapable trap for most who get caught up in

it. .

The left refuses to learn that lesson in spite of many examples over

time.


When the white man first came to these lands, *all* Indians were unemployed and lived in what we now call poverty.

Seems that they've taken a few small steps forward.


What an ignorant, prejudiced, dumbass statement. It's obvious you know
nothing about Native American culture. No surprise.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 12:44 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article , says...

On 10/24/2013 1:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....

Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.


Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.


No, typical progressive rhetoric. You are asking someone to give the
benefit of the doubt to others, that you will not give me.. You still
insisting I don't work, support my family etc, just because I had some
issues I am working my way out of. Sounds like you are just another
hypocritical progressive (sorry, redundant)...


You don't support your family. A REAL man will do what it takes, like
GET A JOB.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 12:46 PM

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In article 1452683379404338769.242285bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1818011097404330633.862971bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....

Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.

Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.

How many for the trillions spent on the war on poverty? Sort of like the
drug war. We have lost both. What is your suggestion? Throw more money
at the problem? And if it is that, where should we get the mone.


The place to start is to try and educate the ignorant on why racism,
bigotry and general anti-trust is just that, blind ignorance. You can
look at you and the right wingers here and just see by their bigotry
that THEY certainly wouldn't trust nor hire someone who's been on
assistance....


The funny thing is I bet you never hired anybody on welfare, or for that
matter anybody for a job. I hired a lot of lower income people over the
years. Lots were not very good workers, a few were. I and a partner owned
a medium sized porta potty business years ago. So we dealt with both full
time employees and casual labor. Plus I had a black fishing partner for
years. So where is the racism, bigotry. Unfortunately my partner gave up
fishing because of health reasons and has since passed away. Still see and
help his wife and family. I am a fiscal conservative. Why do you want to
spend the grand kids and great grand kids legacy? You want no pain from
bad life choices? Want the kids to have the pain instead of you? If you
are still working and worked for me and spent as much time as you do on the
internet during the day, you would replaced!


I work around 14 hours a day, dip****, if I take ten minutes to do what
I want from time to time, that's well and fine. I produce and make
money. I heard that bull**** about spending the grandkid's money when I
was a little kid, same bull****, different time.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 12:47 PM

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In article 1267485339404361387.373089bmckeenospam-
, says...

John H wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:01:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 1426625823404328806.013374bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

Why don't the Indians get an education and jobs? Maybe it is government
handout dependence. Sort of like Chicago inner city 76% male school
dropout rate and a dependence on monthly government handouts. No incentive
to work.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?


Is the same true for the welfare recipients in Chicago?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Cannon de Chelly is not that far from Las Vegas. They could go there to
work. All those people taking care of elderly relatives? How do white
people handle elderly relatives?


bigoted and stupid as usual.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 12:48 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:48:04 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Cannon de Chelly is not that far from Las Vegas. They could go there to
work. All those people taking care of elderly relatives? How do white
people handle elderly relatives?



You mean this place?
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20Mexic...e%20chelly.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20Mexic...20dwelling.jpg

There did not seem to be much employment there. They were taking $10 a
head to walk down into the valley and when you got there there were
indians selling beads and craft items.

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.


So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 12:50 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:22:36 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?


How about with the amount of money we have tossed at the problem, they
create a job center? Manufacturing jobs. Assembly jobs. Compete with
those z3rd world places taking our jobs. They already live is squalor
according to you, so at least get job skills. What is your solution?


If they are making $33k a year on the government dole, why would they
take a $15 an hour job doing anything?

(kevin cited "The US Census reports that the median income of
households based on a three-year average from 2003-2005 was $33,627.)


That statistic did NOT say that the $33k was "government dole".

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 12:51 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:17:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



In article ,


says...




On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:




In article ,


says...




On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:




Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.


That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.




Cite?




You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member




http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income

The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar


because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling


distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member


were as high as $160,000 annually.




Not a bad living just for being an indian.




That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with


the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!




What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000


annually." is so hard for you to understand?




"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,




The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.




The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about


his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get


the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is


about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail


a while tho.




What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.




Since when is the truth "blather"?



I agree some indians are not doing well but I referenced that in my

note to Wayne last night.

The indians who are doing the worst are the ones who lived on a

government dole for the last 140 years or so.



Welfare is a virtually inescapable trap for most who get caught up in

it. .

The left refuses to learn that lesson in spite of many examples over

time.


When the white man first came to these lands, *all* Indians were unemployed and lived in what we now call poverty.

Seems that they've taken a few small steps forward.


Oh, holy ****!!! That's stupid on so many levels!

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 04:42 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.


So ALL native americans are like that, eh?


Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.


So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!

Meyer[_2_] October 25th 13 05:33 PM

Good news for middle America
 
On 10/25/2013 11:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?


Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.


So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Learn to read dummy. He didn't say everyone who is temporarily receiving
welfare assistance is a substance abuser. Read all the words in a
sentence for a change.

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John H[_2_] October 25th 13 05:42 PM

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:33:32 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 10/25/2013 11:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.


So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Learn to read dummy. He didn't say everyone who is temporarily receiving
welfare assistance is a substance abuser. Read all the words in a
sentence for a change.

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That's asking a hell of a lot.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 06:04 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:33:32 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 10/25/2013 11:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.

So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Learn to read dummy. He didn't say everyone who is temporarily receiving
welfare assistance is a substance abuser. Read all the words in a
sentence for a change.

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That's asking a hell of a lot.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


This from the most narrow minded fool in rec.boats.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 07:35 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:42:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.


So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Nobody said "everyone"

You can always win if you put words in my mouth and then dispute them.

Do you deny indians and the people on welfare in the inner cities have
higher rates of substance abuse than the national average?

If so cite it


Why now are you cherry picking "cities"????

John H[_2_] October 25th 13 07:54 PM

Good news for middle America
 
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:35:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:42:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.

So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Nobody said "everyone"

You can always win if you put words in my mouth and then dispute them.

Do you deny indians and the people on welfare in the inner cities have
higher rates of substance abuse than the national average?

If so cite it


Why now are you cherry picking "cities"????


Perhaps because that's where the majority of the poor and drug addled live?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



iBoaterer[_4_] October 25th 13 08:05 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:35:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:42:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.

So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!

Nobody said "everyone"

You can always win if you put words in my mouth and then dispute them.

Do you deny indians and the people on welfare in the inner cities have
higher rates of substance abuse than the national average?

If so cite it


Why now are you cherry picking "cities"????


Perhaps because that's where the majority of the poor and drug addled live?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Exactly! So it really has NOTHING to do with the premise of Native
Americans.

Califbill October 25th 13 08:14 PM

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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1267485339404361387.373089bmckeenospam-
, says...

John H wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:01:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 1426625823404328806.013374bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

Why don't the Indians get an education and jobs? Maybe it is government
handout dependence. Sort of like Chicago inner city 76% male school
dropout rate and a dependence on monthly government handouts. No incentive
to work.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure they'd rather live in squalor on the government's
measly stipend that work. You do realize, don't you, that many have
elderly relatives on the reservations, they themselves no nothing else
but those reservations, and that reservations are typically far, far
away from any sort of job centers, don't you?

Is the same true for the welfare recipients in Chicago?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Cannon de Chelly is not that far from Las Vegas. They could go there to
work. All those people taking care of elderly relatives? How do white
people handle elderly relatives?


bigoted and stupid as usual.


Could not answer. Again.

Califbill October 25th 13 08:14 PM

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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1452683379404338769.242285bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1818011097404330633.862971bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 181105531404328975.779795bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:53:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:58:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:18:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Those unpaid taxes are on the distributions to the members.
That ends up being about $48,000 a year per member.

Cite?

You are right, I was wrong, it is up to $160,000 per member

http://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/ne...-casino-income
The tax obligations of the tribe and its members are expected to soar
because IRS examiners also are auditing the Miccosukee's gambling
distributions for the years 2006-2010, when payouts to each member
were as high as $160,000 annually.

Not a bad living just for being an indian.

That's a ****ing LIEN for taxes not paid!!!!! It has NOTHING to do with
the notion (and lie) that each person in the tribe gets money!!!!!

What part of "when pay outs to each member were as high as $160,000
annually." is so hard for you to understand?

"Each" implies they all get a payout, which they do.,

The IRS lien was for $170 MILLION against the 600 members.

The guy who hangs out and drinks with my drunken neighbor brags about
his $48,000. I guess he doesn't have enough feathers in his cap to get
the $160k. I am not sure this guy has ever actually worked and he is
about 40. He may have worked at the scalping station on Tamiami trail
a while tho.

What a bunch of bigoted blather. I thought better of you than that.

"The United States is home to 2.4 million Native Americans. In
comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small
amount (only .9%).[11] American Indians have historically lived in
extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem
of poverty may have seemed to disappear. Yet, while Native Americans
have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun
to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major
issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has
prevailed on reservations: to this day, Native Americans have the
highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States of America.
The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[12]"

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are
usually high. For example, the unemployment rate today on the Blackfoot
Reservation in Montana is 69%. This is a shocking comparison to the
national unemployment rate today, 9.8% (US Bureau of Labor) or even
during the worst part of the Great Depression, 25%.[13] According to the
2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less
than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that
the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-
2005 was $33,627.[12]

With a poverty rate of 25%[12], they are right along with the big cities
run by Democrats. Maybe
they should start voting Republican and get their education system fixed.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Typical narrow mindedness, take ONE statistic and ignore the rest.....

Why are these welfare dependent places long term poverty centers? You
would think with the government handing out help and money they could
quickly rise up the economic ladder.

Some do. You see, you are like a lot of others here, you think once
someone is on welfare, etc, that they never get off, no one ever makes
good, no one ever rises above it. Typical FOX rhetoric.

How many for the trillions spent on the war on poverty? Sort of like the
drug war. We have lost both. What is your suggestion? Throw more money
at the problem? And if it is that, where should we get the mone.

The place to start is to try and educate the ignorant on why racism,
bigotry and general anti-trust is just that, blind ignorance. You can
look at you and the right wingers here and just see by their bigotry
that THEY certainly wouldn't trust nor hire someone who's been on
assistance....


The funny thing is I bet you never hired anybody on welfare, or for that
matter anybody for a job. I hired a lot of lower income people over the
years. Lots were not very good workers, a few were. I and a partner owned
a medium sized porta potty business years ago. So we dealt with both full
time employees and casual labor. Plus I had a black fishing partner for
years. So where is the racism, bigotry. Unfortunately my partner gave up
fishing because of health reasons and has since passed away. Still see and
help his wife and family. I am a fiscal conservative. Why do you want to
spend the grand kids and great grand kids legacy? You want no pain from
bad life choices? Want the kids to have the pain instead of you? If you
are still working and worked for me and spent as much time as you do on the
internet during the day, you would replaced!


I work around 14 hours a day, dip****, if I take ten minutes to do what
I want from time to time, that's well and fine. I produce and make
money. I heard that bull**** about spending the grandkid's money when I
was a little kid, same bull****, different time.


Who the hell is going to pay off the 17 trillion and growing debt? 40
years ago, we owed less than 700 billion.

Califbill October 25th 13 10:53 PM

Good news for middle America
 
iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?


Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.


So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Where did hesitate ALL had substance abuse use? They all have problems
with substance abuse. If a family member or tribe member is a user, it
affects all.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 26th 13 03:10 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article 221618904404423238.620699bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.


So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Where did hesitate ALL had substance abuse use? They all have problems
with substance abuse. If a family member or tribe member is a user, it
affects all.


So you just said that the "all have problems with substance abuse"......

iBoaterer[_4_] October 26th 13 03:11 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:05:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:35:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:42:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.

So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!

Nobody said "everyone"

You can always win if you put words in my mouth and then dispute them.

Do you deny indians and the people on welfare in the inner cities have
higher rates of substance abuse than the national average?

If so cite it

Why now are you cherry picking "cities"????

Perhaps because that's where the majority of the poor and drug addled live?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Exactly! So it really has NOTHING to do with the premise of Native
Americans.


Inner cities are just reservations for poor people,


Really? Guess you've never seen the cities of America much then...

Charlemagne October 26th 13 06:19 PM

Good news for middle America
 
On 10/26/2013 10:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 221618904404423238.620699bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.

So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!


Where did hesitate ALL had substance abuse use? They all have problems
with substance abuse. If a family member or tribe member is a user, it
affects all.


So you just said that the "all have problems with substance abuse"......


That's what he said, however, he did not say "all" were users cause you
are not really all that coy, we know where you are going with this...

Charlemagne October 26th 13 06:28 PM

Good news for middle America
 
On 10/26/2013 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:11:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Inner cities are just reservations for poor people,


Really? Guess you've never seen the cities of America much then...


So, you are saying "inner cities are not just reservations for poor
people". If you want to say it Wristbone, say it.. unless of course you
are too lazy to really bring an argument to the table... You think John
is wrong, tell us why... in your own words...



I have seen plenty of them. There was a list of the ones I am
referring to in this thread. Do you actually think Detroit is a
success story?



iBoaterer[_4_] October 27th 13 03:36 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:11:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Inner cities are just reservations for poor people,


Really? Guess you've never seen the cities of America much then...


I have seen plenty of them. There was a list of the ones I am
referring to in this thread. Do you actually think Detroit is a
success story?


Why do you constantly change the question/answers? YOU said "inner
cities are just reservations for the poor people". Now what does that
have to do with whether or not Detroit is a "success story"? Almost all
"inner cities" the real estate is VERY expensive, the apartments and
townhouses and brownstones are very pricey and exclusive.

iBoaterer[_4_] October 27th 13 03:37 PM

Good news for middle America
 
In article , says...

On 10/26/2013 10:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 221618904404423238.620699bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:48:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

There was a drunk indian on the trail who was trying to shake down
people for $50. We ran into someone who actually gave it to him. I
told him to get the **** away from me and reported him to the indian
police when we got up to the parking lot.
They knew who he was.

So ALL native americans are like that, eh?

Did I say that? The indians on the reservations do have a big problem
with unemployment and substance abuse tho, just like everyone else who
lives off the welfare state.

So NOW everyone who is on welfare has "substance abuse". I really didn't
know you were as bigoted as John! But it's all coming together now!

Where did hesitate ALL had substance abuse use? They all have problems
with substance abuse. If a family member or tribe member is a user, it
affects all.


So you just said that the "all have problems with substance abuse"......


That's what he said, however, he did not say "all" were users cause you
are not really all that coy, we know where you are going with this...


Who is "we", you and your jawbone?

Charlemagne October 27th 13 03:37 PM

Good news for middle America
 
On 10/27/2013 11:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:11:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Inner cities are just reservations for poor people,

Really? Guess you've never seen the cities of America much then...


I have seen plenty of them. There was a list of the ones I am
referring to in this thread. Do you actually think Detroit is a
success story?


Why do you constantly change the question/answers? YOU said "inner
cities are just reservations for the poor people". Now what does that
have to do with whether or not Detroit is a "success story"? Almost all
"inner cities" the real estate is VERY expensive, the apartments and
townhouses and brownstones are very pricey and exclusive.


There you go... now isn't that better than just saying "cite"?


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