On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..


Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.



You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..


Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.



You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:10:04 -0500, Califbill wrote:

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..


Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.



You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?

~~crickets~~

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 10/20/13, 2:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..


Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.



You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?



Your percentages are off and misleading.

Here are some places to start:

In fiscal 2014 only 11% of revenues will come from corporate income
taxes. That needs to be doubled.

We should start making drastic cuts in military spending. It's a half
trillion a year on budget and much more off budget.

Raise taxes drastically on non-earned income.

Eliminate any and all tax breaks for U.S. corporations that export jobs.

Raise social security taxes on employers

Raise the tax ceiling on income counted for social security

Eliminate 100 billion in waste in Medicaid and Medicare

On 10/20/13, 5:00 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/20/13, 2:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even
get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not
going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select
them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger
and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the
status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..


Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.



You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are
spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?



Your percentages are off and misleading.

Here are some places to start:

In fiscal 2014 only 11% of revenues will come from corporate income
taxes. That needs to be doubled.

We should start making drastic cuts in military spending. It's a half
trillion a year on budget and much more off budget.

Raise taxes drastically on non-earned income.

Eliminate any and all tax breaks for U.S. corporations that export jobs.

Raise social security taxes on employers

Raise the tax ceiling on income counted for social security

Eliminate 100 billion in waste in Medicaid and Medicare



Oh, and Given Bush and his insanely expensive wars, that we will be
paying for for generations to come, the only possible response a
sensible person need ever give, when a GOPer/TeaBagger says anything
about "deficits", is a polite snicker.

On 10/20/2013 5:00 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/20/13, 2:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even
get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not
going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select
them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger
and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the
status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..


Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.



You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are
spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?



Your percentages are off and misleading.

Here are some places to start:

In fiscal 2014 only 11% of revenues will come from corporate income
taxes. That needs to be doubled.

We should start making drastic cuts in military spending. It's a half
trillion a year on budget and much more off budget.

Raise taxes drastically on non-earned income.

Eliminate any and all tax breaks for U.S. corporations that export jobs.

Raise social security taxes on employers

Raise the tax ceiling on income counted for social security

Eliminate 100 billion in waste in Medicaid and Medicare

get deadbeats to pay their back taxes

Get deadbeats to pay their current taxes

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 2:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..


Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.



You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?



Your percentages are off and misleading.

Here are some places to start:

In fiscal 2014 only 11% of revenues will come from corporate income
taxes. That needs to be doubled.

We should start making drastic cuts in military spending. It's a half
trillion a year on budget and much more off budget.

Raise taxes drastically on non-earned income.

Eliminate any and all tax breaks for U.S. corporations that export jobs.

Raise social security taxes on employers

Raise the tax ceiling on income counted for social security

Eliminate 100 billion in waste in Medicaid and Medicare

Who pays those corporate taxes? What is really unearned income? I saved
and invested that money, and my qualified dividends are taxed about 50%.
The corporation was taxed around 40% on that money before they sent it to
me! to be taxed again. Employer SS taxes are just part of the compensation
package. Raise the rate, less money for the employee. Yes we should cut
military spending. Get most of the troops out of Europe. They can supply
their own protection. Get out of the Middle East. Forget the f'n nation
building. Someone attacks us, just destroy most of their infrastructure.
Other than cutting military spending, and raising taxes, you have little in
your plan to put spending and revenue in balance. ACA should remove
Medicaid. How about legalizing most drugs and taxing them. Let those who
are pretty worthless in life, cheaply kill themselves with drugs. Save
billions in police costs, billions in welfare. Reduce over population

On 10/20/2013 5:00 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

You can't be serious. This country took a turn to port back in the
1960's and the helm hasn't been centered since.

In 1960 less than a third of federal revenues were transferred to
individuals in the form of entitlement programs. By 2010 well over two
thirds of revenues were spent on entitlements to individuals.

The recent antics of the Tea Party fellowship doesn't change that. We
are spending ourselves into bankruptcy (or already have) applying
decreasing sources of revenues to pay for ever increasing payouts for
entitlement programs. It's self defeating and, like Greg mentioned,
when the world says "enough", the **** will really hit the fan.

One thing is for sure. A change in course has to be done gradually.
There's too much inertia in the US economy to allow for sudden changes.
Spending for military and defense programs needs to be reduced over
years with a well thought out plan and objective. To suddenly cut back
will cause more problems than it cures. Same with all other programs.
An honest evaluation needs to be done in terms of their effectiveness
and a plan to curb continued growth that will span several
administrations needs to be applied.

The problem is that politicians get elected by making promises we can't
afford.