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wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:52:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/19/13, 11:27 AM, wrote:

I agree but the only people in politics who do are the Libertarians.
You can't talk about the budget and ignore the $800 billion we give
DoD.

There are no Libertarians holding national political office or even the
governor's mansion in any state. The self-described Libertarians who
hold such offices run as what they are...Republicans.

That may be the perception but real libertarians also support
"choice", the end of the drug war and the end of stupid foreign wars
where we have no real national interest. That separates them from the
GOP.

Name the real libertarians who hold national political office or a
statehouse who ran as libertarians and not republicans.

F.O.A.D.

wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 20:54:37 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:52:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/19/13, 11:27 AM, wrote:

I agree but the only people in politics who do are the Libertarians.
You can't talk about the budget and ignore the $800 billion we give
DoD.

There are no Libertarians holding national political office or even the
governor's mansion in any state. The self-described Libertarians who
hold such offices run as what they are...Republicans.

That may be the perception but real libertarians also support
"choice", the end of the drug war and the end of stupid foreign wars
where we have no real national interest. That separates them from the
GOP.

Name the real libertarians who hold national political office or a
statehouse who ran as libertarians and not republicans.

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

Califbill

F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 20:54:37 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:52:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/19/13, 11:27 AM, wrote:

I agree but the only people in politics who do are the Libertarians.
You can't talk about the budget and ignore the $800 billion we give
DoD.

There are no Libertarians holding national political office or even the
governor's mansion in any state. The self-described Libertarians who
hold such offices run as what they are...Republicans.

That may be the perception but real libertarians also support
"choice", the end of the drug war and the end of stupid foreign wars
where we have no real national interest. That separates them from the
GOP.

Name the real libertarians who hold national political office or a
statehouse who ran as libertarians and not republicans.

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

You get it for free, or at least another bunch of trillions in debt.

F.O.A.D.

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..

Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

F.O.A.D.

On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..

Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.

You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

Califbill

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..

Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.

You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?

John H[_2_]

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:10:04 -0500, Califbill wrote:

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..

Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.

You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?

~~crickets~~

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

F.O.A.D.

On 10/20/13, 2:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 10/20/13, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..

Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.

You post as if there are no ways to correct these situations without
eliminating or drastically reducing the programs. That's absurd.

How are you proposing to put the fiscal house in order when we are spending
86% of our revenue on mandatory / entitlement spending? And 46% of the
country does not pay any income tax. Fact lots of those who work and do
not pay income tax, get an extra check from the government. What is your
cure for to keep the financial house of cards from collapsing?

Your percentages are off and misleading.

Here are some places to start:

In fiscal 2014 only 11% of revenues will come from corporate income
taxes. That needs to be doubled.

We should start making drastic cuts in military spending. It's a half
trillion a year on budget and much more off budget.

Raise taxes drastically on non-earned income.

Eliminate any and all tax breaks for U.S. corporations that export jobs.

Raise social security taxes on employers

Raise the tax ceiling on income counted for social security

Eliminate 100 billion in waste in Medicaid and Medicare

iBoaterer[_4_]

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/20/13, 2:08 AM, wrote:
On 19 Oct 2013 23:06:09 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

As long as the media and the mono culture of the two virtually
identical political parties suppress them,. they will never even get a
chance.

Harry Browne scared all of them in 1996 and the rules changed to
eliminate 3d parties.

You are going to get the candidates you deserve and there is not going
to be much difference between them. The same billionaires select them
for both parties.That is why we are in the 4th Bush administration
with the only conflict being guns and abortion, relatively
insignificant in a country of an $18 trillion debt and nothing but
more debt on the horizon. The government continues to get bigger and
more obtrusive.

Sorry. . .don't buy your equivalencies.

I know, you whine about how things are and then you support the status
quo every chance you get.

As long as you still vote for the machine candidate, you will be
crushed by the machine..

Actually, I don't much like the status quo because it has shifted too
far to the right. And, after years of watching the Loonitarian
candidates, there's little chance I'd vote for one of them. They're
basically Republicans with even less sense of social responsibility.

How socially responsible is it to mortgage our kid's futures for
keeping up the appearance of prosperity now?

You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Sorry kids, grandpa wants a new boat.
That cat food isn't all that bad if you put ketchup on it.

I remember hearing that bull**** about mortgaging our children's future
when I was a child!

Hank©[_3_]

On 10/20/2013 12:10 PM, wrote:
You can't even say the baby boomers paid into SS/MC so they deserve a
lifetime of benefits. I have already got back every penny I put in
(mine and employer side). Statistically I will get 13-14 more years
out of it and the medicare bills have not even started to pile up.

I did not choose to do all of this but if these are the rules of the
game that I was forced to play, I will put my head down and play.

Atta boy.

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