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value of unions
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value of unions
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value of unions
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value of unions
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value of unions
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value of unions
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:09:51 -0400, John H wrote: On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 04:16:47 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: It's the 'race to the bottom' in pricing that concerns me not to mention the conditions our fellow human beings are forced to endure in order to eat. Sure paints a bleak picture for our grandkids future. Y'all can't live on borrowed money forever. You realize that attitude violates the beliefs of the liberals in this country....right? John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! I still want to know how the liberal democratic mind can conceive that borrowing MORE money is somehow "paying your debts". We are broke and can't pay our debts so the fix is to borrow more money? I hope I die before this whole house of cards falls in on us and I feel bad for our kids who will have to dig out of that rubble. What happens when the creditor nation(s) decide they get to define USA policy? |
value of unions
iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:30 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:18:58 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:10:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Things are worse now because we don't have kids 10 years old getting hands severed, working 15 hour days in unsafe factories with no safety equipment, if you get hurt you are just out of a job, bosses that beat them to get more production, and on and on? Really? Things are worse in union states because companies are moving to right to work states ... and we don't have 10 year olds getting their hands cut off, without the union. Oh ****!!! You've GOT to be kidding me!!!! Of course you don't have kids getting hands cut off, laws and work rules are in place because of the unions of the past. That is the past. What do we have them for now? So we don't go back to slave labor. How does that go? Whoosh? I totally understood your question, and answered. ... with a ridiculous statement. What's ridiculous about that statement? Hell, I remember when I was a kid, there was a wooden chair factory in the next town that would hire just about anybody. They would have these 'meetings' whenever there was talk of unions going about. Tell everyone how bad it would be. There were gang drill presses, saws, etc. with guards taken off, safety switches disabled, etc. I worked there one summer after I turned 16, ran a gang drill, foreman would speed it up, just tell you to get used to it, then come back awhile later, speed it up some more. There were many people who worked there that had missing fingers and other various injuries. There was a fire there and it injured several people, no fire extinguishers around! It's now a union shop, and contrary to other's FOXite views, they've actually grown, but now it's a safe, clean place to work. I went in there with a friend who was now a supervisor, and what a difference, safe machinery, not breathing wood dust and fumes, and the steam room where they put trainloads of wood slats to bend actually had an outer area so that workers there didn't have to work in 130 degree heat. One of the only US furniture factories still existing? |
value of unions
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:13:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: It's extortion that people who work their way up want raises? 70k in the SF area isn't a great wage. === How does it compare with similar semi-skilled workers in private industry? Are other workers getting 4% annual increases? Are other jobs getting thousands of applicants for every opening? It's important to remember that BART was designed to be fully automated and the train operator is little more than an attendant, somewhat similar to an elevator operator. They want raises for the same job, no working up the ladder. |
value of unions
iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 10/13/13 10:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:25:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... That was before OSHA, labor laws and TV lawyers. Which came about because of organized unions. Like most things, they ran out of things to make better so they started making things worse and now they are done. Things are worse now because we don't have kids 10 years old getting hands severed, working 15 hour days in unsafe factories with no safety equipment, if you get hurt you are just out of a job, bosses that beat them to get more production, and on and on? Really? Things are worse in union states because companies are moving to right to work states ... and we don't have 10 year olds getting their hands cut off, without the union. Oh ****!!! You've GOT to be kidding me!!!! Of course you don't have kids getting hands cut off, laws and work rules are in place because of the unions of the past. That above is just silly and something I'd expect of Scotty. The problem with unions, especially "public service unions" is extortion. BART rapid transit has already struck once and the 60 day cooling off period is expiring. They demand 4% a year for the next 4 years. Lowest paid starting job is janitor. $57,000 a year. Train drivers are making $70k a year. GED or HS diploma required. Maybe. They pay $93 a month for their health plan, no matter how big the family is. Fully paid retirement plan. Making more than teachers, and most of the riders. Lots here have taken big cuts in pay, or lost their jobs. 2600 applicants when ever a BART job opens up. The union demanding a raise while vastly overpaid or they shut down the commuter trains for a half million riders. Extortion. It's extortion that people who work their way up want raises? 70k in the SF area isn't a great wage. It is not a bad wage either. Especially for a low skill job. How much skill does it take to sit in the cab of a BART car and make sure the doors are not stuck because someone is in the door, or if the computer control fails, you drive, actually just move the throttle enough to go 25 mph to the next station. They are not supposed to read books, etc, but you see it all the time if you drive next to a moving BART train. |
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