On Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:37:11 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Why read or comment on posts from Slammer? Hardly anyone else does,

other than the usual right-wing trash.



And you think there are those that read ANYHTING ...YOU print?

PaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHA

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On 10/13/13 10:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:25:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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That was before OSHA, labor laws and TV lawyers.

Which came about because of organized unions.

Like most things, they ran out of things to make better so they
started making things worse and now they are done.

Things are worse now because we don't have kids 10 years old getting
hands severed, working 15 hour days in unsafe factories with no safety
equipment, if you get hurt you are just out of a job, bosses that beat
them to get more production, and on and on? Really?

Things are worse in union states because companies are moving to right
to work states ... and we don't have 10 year olds getting their hands
cut off, without the union.

Oh ****!!! You've GOT to be kidding me!!!! Of course you don't have kids
getting hands cut off, laws and work rules are in place because of the
unions of the past. That above is just silly and something I'd expect of
Scotty.

The problem with unions, especially "public service unions" is
extortion. BART rapid transit has already struck once and the 60 day
cooling off period is expiring. They demand 4% a year for the next 4
years. Lowest paid starting job is janitor. $57,000 a year. Train
drivers are making $70k a year. GED or HS diploma required. Maybe.
They pay $93 a month for their health plan, no matter how big the family
is. Fully paid retirement plan. Making more than teachers, and most of
the riders. Lots here have taken big cuts in pay, or lost their jobs.
2600 applicants when ever a BART job opens up. The union demanding a
raise while vastly overpaid or they shut down the commuter trains for a
half million riders. Extortion.

It's extortion that people who work their way up want raises? 70k in the
SF area isn't a great wage.

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says...

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:10:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Things are worse now because we don't have kids 10 years old getting
hands severed, working 15 hour days in unsafe factories with no safety
equipment, if you get hurt you are just out of a job, bosses that beat
them to get more production, and on and on? Really?

Things are worse in union states because companies are moving to right
to work states ... and we don't have 10 year olds getting their hands
cut off, without the union.

Oh ****!!! You've GOT to be kidding me!!!! Of course you don't have kids
getting hands cut off, laws and work rules are in place because of the
unions of the past.

That is the past. What do we have them for now?

So we don't go back to slave labor.

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:13:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

It's extortion that people who work their way up want raises? 70k in the
SF area isn't a great wage.

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How does it compare with similar semi-skilled workers in private
industry? Are other workers getting 4% annual increases? Are other
jobs getting thousands of applicants for every opening?

It's important to remember that BART was designed to be fully
automated and the train operator is little more than an attendant,
somewhat similar to an elevator operator.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:13:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

It's extortion that people who work their way up want raises? 70k in the
SF area isn't a great wage.

===

How does it compare with similar semi-skilled workers in private
industry? Are other workers getting 4% annual increases? Are other
jobs getting thousands of applicants for every opening?

It's important to remember that BART was designed to be fully
automated and the train operator is little more than an attendant,
somewhat similar to an elevator operator.

We used to have elevator operators at the USDA in 1981. Little old ladies who operated the
elevators on the north end of the even numbered hallways and at the south end of the odd
numbered hallways.

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says...

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:13:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

It's extortion that people who work their way up want raises? 70k in the
SF area isn't a great wage.

===

How does it compare with similar semi-skilled workers in private
industry? Are other workers getting 4% annual increases? Are other
jobs getting thousands of applicants for every opening?

It's important to remember that BART was designed to be fully
automated and the train operator is little more than an attendant,
somewhat similar to an elevator operator.

Actually, no. They are trained in basic life support, CPR, emergency
training, plus being certified as a train operator.

On 10/13/2013 11:29 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:22:04 -0700, Bill McKee
wrote:

On 10/13/13 10:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:25:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

That was before OSHA, labor laws and TV lawyers.

Which came about because of organized unions.

Like most things, they ran out of things to make better so they
started making things worse and now they are done.

Things are worse now because we don't have kids 10 years old getting
hands severed, working 15 hour days in unsafe factories with no safety
equipment, if you get hurt you are just out of a job, bosses that beat
them to get more production, and on and on? Really?

Things are worse in union states because companies are moving to right
to work states ... and we don't have 10 year olds getting their hands
cut off, without the union.

Oh ****!!! You've GOT to be kidding me!!!! Of course you don't have kids
getting hands cut off, laws and work rules are in place because of the
unions of the past. That above is just silly and something I'd expect of
Scotty.

The problem with unions, especially "public service unions" is
extortion. BART rapid transit has already struck once and the 60 day
cooling off period is expiring. They demand 4% a year for the next 4
years. Lowest paid starting job is janitor. $57,000 a year. Train
drivers are making $70k a year. GED or HS diploma required. Maybe.
They pay $93 a month for their health plan, no matter how big the family
is. Fully paid retirement plan. Making more than teachers, and most of
the riders. Lots here have taken big cuts in pay, or lost their jobs.
2600 applicants when ever a BART job opens up. The union demanding a
raise while vastly overpaid or they shut down the commuter trains for a
half million riders. Extortion.

Public service unions also sit on both sides of the bargaining table,
since they have tremendous political power and they control the
politicians who are supposed to counter their demands.

Just look at what is going on in Detroit, LA or Atlanta.

Detroit City. The model for aspiring union towns.

On 10/13/2013 11:43 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:21:45 -0400, wrote:

Imagine a McDonalds that only has a computer operator/cashier and a
part time person or two that load up the machines in the morning and
clean them at the end of the day.

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New York City had that many years ago. It was called the Automat and
it was a bit of a tourist attraction.

http://exhibitions.nypl.org/lunchhou...chhour/automat


It was a pretty big thing to go to the Automat when I was a kid....

On 10/13/2013 6:37 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/13/13, 5:59 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 13 October 2013 16:25:31 UTC-3, wrote:
On Friday, October 11, 2013 10:48:04 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:

If anyone doubts the value of unions protecting workers rights, they
should try to watch the CBC's Fifth Estate documentary on 'Made in
Bangladesh'



This talks about the working conditions leading up to the collapse
of a factory killing over a thousand people... most making twenty
five cents an hour producing cheap fashion clothing for North
American market.



http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/



**** off asshole. You could care less about these people. ALL you are
doing here is trying to look like your master, Krause.


Get lost, jackass.
Flagged for the idiot that he is!



Why read or comment on posts from Slammer? Hardly anyone else does,
other than the usual right-wing trash.


Well, he does give you and don the opportunity to be antisocial and call
names..

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 04:16:47 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

It's the 'race to the bottom' in pricing that concerns me not to mention the conditions our fellow human beings are forced to endure in order to eat.
Sure paints a bleak picture for our grandkids future.
Y'all can't live on borrowed money forever.

You realize that attitude violates the beliefs of the liberals in this country....right?
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!