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COLREGS - The final word on pecking order in restricted visibility.
All well and good but you must ask yourself who is
the arbitor of what is a safe speed for a particular vessel? It is clear in my mind it is the Captain of the vessel who determines what is or is not a safe speed for any particular situation or circumstance. The bottom line is I am the Captain of my ship and if I say five or six knots is a safe speed then no other man can dispute it. Only if there is a collision and there is a court case can a judge determine that I was wrong. Even then, it is only a legal decison to determine liability and still does not take away a Captain's right to determine what is a safe speed. If you are a sailor and if you've ever sailed a 27-foot cruising sailboat with a fin keel and balanced spade rudder you would know that at five or six knots one can put the helm down rapidly so the vessel spins and stops in less than a boat length. If I am going one or two knots this is not the case. The boat doesn't have enough way on to spin on her keel and stop. One must have a certain amount of speed to have decent maneuverability. If any judge ever attempted to say my speed was unsafe because it was too fast at five or six knots I could easily set up a demonstration to prove him in error. As for your situation with the vessel fishing when I hear the same signal I'm giving I have to admit I might be the give-way vessel by virtue of the fact that all vessels above me in the pecking order give the same signal. Therefore, I am ready to give-way the moment the other vessel comes in sight and I see what it is. This proves there is a pecking order (give-way/stand-on) in or near an area of restricted visibilty as I have claimed all along. S.Simon "Tim Roberts" wrote in message ... This debate has gone on for over a year. The two main issues are whether Rule 19(e) requires sailboats to slow is the visibility is bad enough, and whether the "prolonged-short-short" signal of some vessels in the fog implies a standon/giveway relationship. In the current version, Neal is attempting to show that since there is a grey area where both the "in sight" and "restricted visibility" rules might apply, then there is pecking order in restricted visibility. And since there is a pecking order, sailboats need not slow down. Fortunately, no one else seem to be buying it. O.K just to throw another little spanner in the works - even if there is a pecking order in restricted visibility, the argument that sailing vessels need not slow down doesn't carry any weight if the other vessel is involved in fishing (though who'd fish in fog?). Fishing vessel sound signal = 1 Long & 2 Short Sailing vessel sound signal = 1 Long & 2 Short Many Other vessels also sound 1 Long & 2 Short How do you know the other vessel isn't a fishing vessel Sailing vessels must keep out of the way of fishing vessels even in Simple Simon's pecking order (surely! or maybe this will just add fuel to another pointless argument from Simon). As you can't tell what the vessel is (because you haven't seen it) - prudence requires you to slow down - THE RULES require you to slow down - just in case it IS a fishing vessel and you have to give way. Also, I have skippered many yachts that sail (and steer) quite happily at 2 knots, so this can't slow down (must maintain hull speed) approach is a load of ********. 7 knots is not a safe speed for a yacht in restricted visibility! Would you sail into a berth at 7 knots? I don't think so. There are no grey areas in the IRPCS. Just in the way we interpret them. Clearly there are some out there who are not employing common sense and employing safe practice when they are at sea. Just one final point. Take some time to examine reports from the Marine Accident Investigation Board, they're easy enough to find on the internet. The bottom line is that in a collision situation both Masters are to blame as the rules clearly state that both parties are equally responsible for avoiding collisions, regardless of 'Pecking Order'. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |