"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:00:53 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:


Update. I've downloaded and installed it and it's pretty cool. I also
downloaded ALL the free NOAA Vector charts for Florida. I like
the fact that they are updated weekly. So now I have all the Raster
charts for Florida and all the updated Vector charts. They even show
in night time colors. There is a row of boxes on the bottom probably
15 or so of them and each one displays a different chart. The green
ones are the Vector official navigation charts and the gray ones are
the older Raster Charts. I might have delete all those older Raster
charts out of the designated folder and download all the updated
Raster charts from NOAA.

The help files indicate that the program can use quite a few
different electronic chart formats so I'll be searching for all
charts for areas I might sail to. There are even up to date pilot
charts of blue water sailing that I've got to download and place
in the designated folder.

It was easy to configure the GPS com port so I've even got it set
up with the USB GPS already.

Kewl! Thanks again. Do you use it yourself when cruising.

===

I'll be using it more now that I have a new AIS capable VHF radio. The
abilty to track commercial traffic by name and call letters (not to
mention course, speed, CPA, etc.) will be useful at times, especially
when coming back into the Keys from the Bahamas. We usually end up
doing that at night and the amount of large ship traffic out there is
astounding.

Up until recently I've been using Maptech OSN and it has served us
well. I have almost 40,000 nautical miles of saved track lines for
all of our cruises since we bought the trawler 9 years ago.


The two programs seem to be similar so the learning curve for
the open source program is not steep.

I don't care for that AIS nonsense, myself. I've ridden motorcycles
and bicycles my whole life and I've survived intact mostly because
my philosophy is that nobody ever sees me so I have to take full
responsibility for avoiding all the idiots. I can't rely on them to even
be aware of me. AIS is like that. It won't work unless the shipping
sees me and they don't pay attention to something so small that
it represents no danger to them.

One time, crossing to the Bahamas at night, I ran into a flotilla of
blacked out Navy ships doing some kind of a training exercise.

There were dozens of them. One destroyer was on a collision
course so I luffed up and it passed a couple hundred yards
off my bow. I used the VHF to try to contact them and lo and
behold they actually replied. I enquired if it was safe to pass
directly astern (thinking they could be dragging some
anti-submarine apparatus) but they said that would present
no problems. WOW they do make quite the wake.

--
Sir Gregory

On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:39:30 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:

I don't care for that AIS nonsense, myself. I've ridden motorcycles
and bicycles my whole life and I've survived intact mostly because
my philosophy is that nobody ever sees me so I have to take full
responsibility for avoiding all the idiots. I can't rely on them to even
be aware of me. AIS is like that. It won't work unless the shipping
sees me and they don't pay attention to something so small that
it represents no danger to them.

===

The price on AIS equipment keeps coming down and will no doubt go even
lower. My new VHF cost only a tad over $300 and West Marine is now
offering a class B transponder for $560.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=795855#.UkM-kxDpyl8

http://www.boatersland.com/standard-matrix-ais-gx2150.html

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:39:30 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:

I don't care for that AIS nonsense, myself. I've ridden motorcycles
and bicycles my whole life and I've survived intact mostly because
my philosophy is that nobody ever sees me so I have to take full
responsibility for avoiding all the idiots. I can't rely on them to even
be aware of me. AIS is like that. It won't work unless the shipping
sees me and they don't pay attention to something so small that
it represents no danger to them.

===

The price on AIS equipment keeps coming down and will no doubt go even
lower. My new VHF cost only a tad over $300 and West Marine is now
offering a class B transponder for $560.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=795855#.UkM-kxDpyl8

http://www.boatersland.com/standard-matrix-ais-gx2150.html



Too dear for me! I'll stick to using my expensive Fujinon binoculars
which see real well in the dark and I'll take the responsibility upon
myself to avoid shipping. Even though I'm a sailboat and I'm
supposed to be the stand-on vessel, I'd rather not interfere with
the big boys. It's a lot easier for me to alter course than for them
to do so.

--
Sir Gregory

On 25/09/2013 10:39 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:00:53 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:


Update. I've downloaded and installed it and it's pretty cool. I also
downloaded ALL the free NOAA Vector charts for Florida. I like
the fact that they are updated weekly. So now I have all the Raster
charts for Florida and all the updated Vector charts. They even show
in night time colors. There is a row of boxes on the bottom probably
15 or so of them and each one displays a different chart. The green
ones are the Vector official navigation charts and the gray ones are
the older Raster Charts. I might have delete all those older Raster
charts out of the designated folder and download all the updated
Raster charts from NOAA.

The help files indicate that the program can use quite a few
different electronic chart formats so I'll be searching for all
charts for areas I might sail to. There are even up to date pilot
charts of blue water sailing that I've got to download and place
in the designated folder.

It was easy to configure the GPS com port so I've even got it set
up with the USB GPS already.

Kewl! Thanks again. Do you use it yourself when cruising.

===

I'll be using it more now that I have a new AIS capable VHF radio. The
abilty to track commercial traffic by name and call letters (not to
mention course, speed, CPA, etc.) will be useful at times, especially
when coming back into the Keys from the Bahamas. We usually end up
doing that at night and the amount of large ship traffic out there is
astounding.

Up until recently I've been using Maptech OSN and it has served us
well. I have almost 40,000 nautical miles of saved track lines for
all of our cruises since we bought the trawler 9 years ago.


The two programs seem to be similar so the learning curve for
the open source program is not steep.

I don't care for that AIS nonsense, myself. I've ridden motorcycles
and bicycles my whole life and I've survived intact mostly because
my philosophy is that nobody ever sees me so I have to take full
responsibility for avoiding all the idiots. I can't rely on them to even
be aware of me. AIS is like that. It won't work unless the shipping
sees me and they don't pay attention to something so small that
it represents no danger to them.

One time, crossing to the Bahamas at night, I ran into a flotilla of
blacked out Navy ships doing some kind of a training exercise.

There were dozens of them. One destroyer was on a collision
course so I luffed up and it passed a couple hundred yards
off my bow. I used the VHF to try to contact them and lo and
behold they actually replied. I enquired if it was safe to pass
directly astern (thinking they could be dragging some
anti-submarine apparatus) but they said that would present
no problems. WOW they do make quite the wake.

Back when I was in white and gold, I watched, with a group of
others, a US CGN leave our little port (military) He had to
join up with a commercial dredged channel, not very wide.

He wandered slowly to the ENE to link up and turned. The area is
occasionally prone to Anti-Nuke nutsos and he didn't want to get
hampered in the channel. He was headed now WNW.

If you have a reactor as a power plant, you use it. So he
put the pedal to the metal and let it rip.

Not a wake, a rooster tail fully 50' high off the stern. We could
see it from 2 miles away.

They do move some water when they go by.

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:56:31 +0300, injipoint
wrote this crap:

Back when I was in white and gold, I watched, with a group of
others, a US CGN leave our little port (military) He had to
join up with a commercial dredged channel, not very wide.

He wandered slowly to the ENE to link up and turned. The area is
occasionally prone to Anti-Nuke nutsos and he didn't want to get
hampered in the channel. He was headed now WNW.

If you have a reactor as a power plant, you use it. So he
put the pedal to the metal and let it rip.

Not a wake, a rooster tail fully 50' high off the stern. We could
see it from 2 miles away.

They do move some water when they go by.

Just curious, how did it take the nuke to go from slow to go?
However, he could have powering up the reactor as he was leaving the
channel and then just powered up the engines when he got clear
sailing. At nuclear electrical power plants it takes days to get to
full power.


Don't drink and drive. Unless you have a good cup holder.

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On 26/09/2013 7:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:56:31 +0300, injipoint
wrote this crap:

Back when I was in white and gold, I watched, with a group of
others, a US CGN leave our little port (military) He had to
join up with a commercial dredged channel, not very wide.

He wandered slowly to the ENE to link up and turned. The area is
occasionally prone to Anti-Nuke nutsos and he didn't want to get
hampered in the channel. He was headed now WNW.

If you have a reactor as a power plant, you use it. So he
put the pedal to the metal and let it rip.

Not a wake, a rooster tail fully 50' high off the stern. We could
see it from 2 miles away.

They do move some water when they go by.

Just curious, how did it take the nuke to go from slow to go?
However, he could have powering up the reactor as he was leaving the
channel and then just powered up the engines when he got clear
sailing. At nuclear electrical power plants it takes days to get to
full power.


Don't drink and drive. Unless you have a good cup holder.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---

Been powering up the reactors for a day probably. They'd never say.
Just switched the power to the engines when he turned.
The N-subs do the same thing, but no rooster tail. They
just go hell for leather so any dickhead on a surfboard
or in a canoe etc who wants to "stop" one for a
photo-shoot has to deal with something that's already doing
20knots "Sorry, couldn't stop in time"

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:25:37 +0300, injipoint
wrote:

On 26/09/2013 7:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:56:31 +0300, injipoint
wrote this crap:

Back when I was in white and gold, I watched, with a group of
others, a US CGN leave our little port (military) He had to
join up with a commercial dredged channel, not very wide.

He wandered slowly to the ENE to link up and turned. The area is
occasionally prone to Anti-Nuke nutsos and he didn't want to get
hampered in the channel. He was headed now WNW.

If you have a reactor as a power plant, you use it. So he
put the pedal to the metal and let it rip.

Not a wake, a rooster tail fully 50' high off the stern. We could
see it from 2 miles away.

They do move some water when they go by.

Just curious, how did it take the nuke to go from slow to go?
However, he could have powering up the reactor as he was leaving the
channel and then just powered up the engines when he got clear
sailing. At nuclear electrical power plants it takes days to get to
full power.


Don't drink and drive. Unless you have a good cup holder.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---

Been powering up the reactors for a day probably. They'd never say.
Just switched the power to the engines when he turned.
The N-subs do the same thing, but no rooster tail. They
just go hell for leather so any dickhead on a surfboard
or in a canoe etc who wants to "stop" one for a
photo-shoot has to deal with something that's already doing
20knots "Sorry, couldn't stop in time"

===

One of the biggest wakes I've ever seen was from a nuclear sub running
fast on the surface. It's a strange sight from a distance, sort of
like a fast moving hill of water.

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:25:37 +0300, injipoint
wrote this crap:

Not a wake, a rooster tail fully 50' high off the stern. We could
see it from 2 miles away.

They do move some water when they go by.

Just curious, how did it take the nuke to go from slow to go?
However, he could have powering up the reactor as he was leaving the
channel and then just powered up the engines when he got clear
sailing. At nuclear electrical power plants it takes days to get to
full power.



Been powering up the reactors for a day probably. They'd never say.
Just switched the power to the engines when he turned.

That must give off one hell of a heat signature. Easily seen by a
satellite for sure.

The N-subs do the same thing, but no rooster tail.

Obviously, that's called cavitation and is easily heard under water.
Subs are made for silence.

They
just go hell for leather so any dickhead on a surfboard
or in a canoe etc who wants to "stop" one for a
photo-shoot has to deal with something that's already doing
20knots "Sorry, couldn't stop in time"

"Scottie, give me full reverse, some dickhead wants a picture."


Don't drink and drive. Unless you have a good cup holder.

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"injipoint" wrote in message
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On 26/09/2013 7:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:56:31 +0300, injipoint
wrote this crap:

Back when I was in white and gold, I watched, with a group of
others, a US CGN leave our little port (military) He had to
join up with a commercial dredged channel, not very wide.

He wandered slowly to the ENE to link up and turned. The area is
occasionally prone to Anti-Nuke nutsos and he didn't want to get
hampered in the channel. He was headed now WNW.

If you have a reactor as a power plant, you use it. So he
put the pedal to the metal and let it rip.

Not a wake, a rooster tail fully 50' high off the stern. We could
see it from 2 miles away.

They do move some water when they go by.

Just curious, how did it take the nuke to go from slow to go?
However, he could have powering up the reactor as he was leaving the
channel and then just powered up the engines when he got clear
sailing. At nuclear electrical power plants it takes days to get to
full power.


Don't drink and drive. Unless you have a good cup holder.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---

Been powering up the reactors for a day probably. They'd never say.
Just switched the power to the engines when he turned.
The N-subs do the same thing, but no rooster tail. They
just go hell for leather so any dickhead on a surfboard
or in a canoe etc who wants to "stop" one for a
photo-shoot has to deal with something that's already doing
20knots "Sorry, couldn't stop in time"



It's my understanding that nuclear subs are powered by steam
turbines which generate electricity for the electric motors that
run the propellers. The steam for the turbines comes from the
heat of the fission reactor. Lower a few more fuel rods and it
doesn't take but a few minutes for the core to heat up and the
cooling water temperature rises along with it.

--
Sir Gregory

On 27/09/2013 7:06 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"injipoint" wrote in message
...
On 26/09/2013 7:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:56:31 +0300, injipoint
wrote this crap:

Back when I was in white and gold, I watched, with a group of
others, a US CGN leave our little port (military) He had to
join up with a commercial dredged channel, not very wide.

He wandered slowly to the ENE to link up and turned. The area is
occasionally prone to Anti-Nuke nutsos and he didn't want to get
hampered in the channel. He was headed now WNW.

If you have a reactor as a power plant, you use it. So he
put the pedal to the metal and let it rip.

Not a wake, a rooster tail fully 50' high off the stern. We could
see it from 2 miles away.

They do move some water when they go by.

Just curious, how did it take the nuke to go from slow to go?
However, he could have powering up the reactor as he was leaving the
channel and then just powered up the engines when he got clear
sailing. At nuclear electrical power plants it takes days to get to
full power.


Don't drink and drive. Unless you have a good cup holder.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---

Been powering up the reactors for a day probably. They'd never say.
Just switched the power to the engines when he turned.
The N-subs do the same thing, but no rooster tail. They
just go hell for leather so any dickhead on a surfboard
or in a canoe etc who wants to "stop" one for a
photo-shoot has to deal with something that's already doing
20knots "Sorry, couldn't stop in time"



It's my understanding that nuclear subs are powered by steam
turbines which generate electricity for the electric motors that
run the propellers. The steam for the turbines comes from the
heat of the fission reactor. Lower a few more fuel rods and it
doesn't take but a few minutes for the core to heat up and the
cooling water temperature rises along with it.

Not sure but I think it might take longer. I know they take time
to lower the power, like a day or about that but I don't know enough
about the process to know the start up bit.