Rapprochement?
 

Wouldn't it be nice if the United States and Iran had a rapprochement, a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations and Iran rejoining the
list of reasonable nations?

There may be a chance for this. Let's hope so, eh?

Rapprochement?
 

On 9/24/2013 4:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wouldn't it be nice if the United States and Iran had a rapprochement, a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations and Iran rejoining the
list of reasonable nations?

There may be a chance for this. Let's hope so, eh?


That would be a feather in O'Bama's turban.

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:55:34 -0400, wrote:

If you really think we can trust the ayatollah.

So far he has played us like a cheap fiddle every time we have engaged
him.
I am certainly willing to find a peaceful resolution to the problems
in the middle east but we have not been very successful so far.

===

My suspicion is that the sight of Russia becoming a major power broker
in the mid east must have given the Iranians a bit of a chill.

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On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way they held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the caucuses for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police states. Is
that part of being a conservative?

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On 9/24/2013 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:25:14 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:10 PM, wrote:

Keep the dream alive I guess.

The reality is I don't see it happening until the Palestinians get
some justice.


I don't know what *some justice* means for the Palestinians. I can
certainly envision a large portion of what is called "the west bank"
becoming a sovereign state called Palestine, but there are about a half
million Israeli Jews living in that area. Perhaps the Jews should move
back into sovereign Israel and the Palestinians living in sovereign
Israel should move to the "new" state of Palestine, and with the
Palestinians and their Arab state patrons building an economy that
supports that state. With the sort of rampant terrorism among the
Palestinians, I don't see any reason for an open border with Israel.

Too draconian, perhaps. Another troubled area.

I think that is the right idea. If you could give the Palestinians a
credible country, they might even be able to coexist with Israel
peacefully. With a little luck that would give the others a little
less to bitch about.
Personally I would like to see the UN seize all of the "holy lands"
and put them under control of a coalition of the religious leaders
from the 3 religions who think they are important. These would be
operated as international religious parks, open to anyone who wanted
to go there.


**** that.. The Palestinians need to stop acting like cowards and stop
killing people. period.. They have the whole middle east and they could
have Jerusalem too if they weren't following a hateful religion... The
"west bank" is nothing but a sewer for Islamist.. It should be scorched
and built over.... or just push them all in the ocean.

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On 9/24/2013 3:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wouldn't it be nice if the United States and Iran had a rapprochement, a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations and Iran rejoining the
list of reasonable nations?

There may be a chance for this. Let's hope so, eh?

What does rapprochement, a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations,
Have to do with Iran becoming a reasonable nation?
Mikek

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On 9/24/13 8:49 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/24/2013 3:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Wouldn't it be nice if the United States and Iran had a rapprochement, a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations and Iran rejoining the
list of reasonable nations?

There may be a chance for this. Let's hope so, eh?

What does rapprochement, a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations,
Have to do with Iran becoming a reasonable nation?
Mikek


It is possible that the normalization of diplomatic relations will
result in Iran behaving more rationally on the world scene, and will
lessen its paranoia. I'm only saying it is possible. Any improvement in
diplomatic relations between Iran and the United States would be a step
in the right direction for us and for the other countries in the Middle
East.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Wouldn't it be nice if the United States and Iran had a rapprochement,
a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations and Iran rejoining the
list of reasonable nations?

There may be a chance for this. Let's hope so, eh?

--------------------------------

We can hope and we can talk but I don't think it's likely. Iran
isn't the only worry either. It's one of several countries where
Islamic Fundamentalism and it's belief in the eradication of all who
are not Muslim not only exists but is flourishing. It seems that
there is little hope that the Fundamentalist movement is going to die
away. It's been around since the 11th Century and is growing in
strength with no indication of a willingness to adjust to or accept a
peaceful, civilized position in the modern world.

The "Fundamentalism" movement is similar to some Christian
fundamentalist beliefs in the sense that the Koran (like the Bible in
the Christian world) is interpreted literally. The difference is
that Christian fundamentalism is on the decline while Islam is the
fastest growing religion in the world. The number of
"Fundamentalists" who are responsible for terrorist attacks is
growing proportionally.

We tend to think terrorism started on 9/11, but there's a long history
of attacks on US and other western countries' sovereign interests .
It goes back to ancient times when religious Islamic zealots were
trying to obtain a working knowledge of gunpowder from the Chinese.
(The Chinese made fireworks, not weapons. The Islamic
Fundamentalists had other ideas.) The risk today is the ability of
any of these groups to acquire chemical or nuclear weapons. I don't
think there's any question that eventually they will and they will be
used.

There have been 21,620 terrorist killings *since* 9/11. The
incredible list just for 2013 is he

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2013.htm

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wrote in message ...

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported "puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.

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On 9/24/13 9:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


Wouldn't it be nice if the United States and Iran had a rapprochement, a
re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations and Iran rejoining the
list of reasonable nations?

There may be a chance for this. Let's hope so, eh?

--------------------------------

We can hope and we can talk but I don't think it's likely. Iran isn't
the only worry either. It's one of several countries where Islamic
Fundamentalism and it's belief in the eradication of all who are not
Muslim not only exists but is flourishing. It seems that there is
little hope that the Fundamentalist movement is going to die away.
It's been around since the 11th Century and is growing in strength with
no indication of a willingness to adjust to or accept a peaceful,
civilized position in the modern world.

The "Fundamentalism" movement is similar to some Christian
fundamentalist beliefs in the sense that the Koran (like the Bible in
the Christian world) is interpreted literally. The difference is that
Christian fundamentalism is on the decline while Islam is the fastest
growing religion in the world. The number of "Fundamentalists" who are
responsible for terrorist attacks is growing proportionally.

We tend to think terrorism started on 9/11, but there's a long history
of attacks on US and other western countries' sovereign interests . It
goes back to ancient times when religious Islamic zealots were trying to
obtain a working knowledge of gunpowder from the Chinese. (The Chinese
made fireworks, not weapons. The Islamic Fundamentalists had other
ideas.) The risk today is the ability of any of these groups to
acquire chemical or nuclear weapons. I don't think there's any
question that eventually they will and they will be used.

There have been 21,620 terrorist killings *since* 9/11. The
incredible list just for 2013 is he

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2013.htm



Pretty bad number, but a drop in the bucket compared to the 8,000+
firearms murders in this country every year since 9/11...12 times 8,000
= 96,000, and that's just murders by firearm. Our fellow Americans kill
themselves at a much higher rate than terrorists kill others.