"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps
wrote:


Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale.


This is really starting to look like a massive government ****
up.

Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone

He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable
Discharge

The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the
things
the CNN found with minimal effort

The list goes on.

One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees
as
the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR
15
involved) Nothing popped on the background check.
Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the
guards
tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt
object if
he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service
guard
who was sleepwalking through his day.

He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a
behavior problem He appealed it and got
it made Honorable.

A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after
he enlisted, before any problems
developed, and it was never revoked.

Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the
military........

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.



Your "wags" are getting more wild. There's a lot more stigma to
"coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has
been reported increasingly of late.

http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r

------------------------------

If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental
illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military
in the first place.
Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as
looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in
Boston.
They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.

On 9/18/13 8:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote:


Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale.


This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up.

Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone

He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge

The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things
the CNN found with minimal effort

The list goes on.

One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as
the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15
involved) Nothing popped on the background check.
Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards
tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if
he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard
who was sleepwalking through his day.

He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior
problem He appealed it and got
it made Honorable.

A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after
he enlisted, before any problems
developed, and it was never revoked.

Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the
military........

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.



Your "wags" are getting more wild. There's a lot more stigma to
"coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has
been reported increasingly of late.

http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r

------------------------------

If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental
illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in
the first place.

I wouldn't bet the baby or the bathwater on that.


Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as
looking for flat feet.


Expert diagnosticians pick up on many of the mentally ill who might pass
a simple screen, especially one conducted like an assembly line.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
om...

On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps
wrote:


Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale.


This is really starting to look like a massive government ****
up.

Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone

He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable
Discharge

The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the
things
the CNN found with minimal effort

The list goes on.

One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees
as
the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR
15
involved) Nothing popped on the background check.
Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the
guards
tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt
object if
he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service
guard
who was sleepwalking through his day.

He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a
behavior problem He appealed it and got
it made Honorable.

A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after
he enlisted, before any problems
developed, and it was never revoked.

Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the
military........

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.



Your "wags" are getting more wild. There's a lot more stigma to
"coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has
been reported increasingly of late.

http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r

------------------------------

If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental
illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military
in the first place.
Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as
looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in
Boston.
They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time!
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time!
--

John H.


-----------------------------

I remember it well. It wasn't a "session" or anything like that.
He sat behind a desk with your folder, you sat in a chair and he asked
a few benign questions. I think they just looked at how your
composure was and how you answered them.

I know it was a shrink because at the next processing station I asked
who the guy was.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:37:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time!

Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were being continuously screamed at
by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform!
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:37:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time!

Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were
being continuously screamed at
by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform!
--

John H.

--------------------------------

I was not drafted. I received a draft notice to report for induction
but I booked it down to the Navy recruiter and signed up instead.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:41:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:37:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time!

Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were
being continuously screamed at
by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform!

That was probably smart, although the Army did well by me. I was a high school grad, couldn't afford
college, and was a utility man on a survey team. I can't bitch too much.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:01:59 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:12:07 -0400, John H
wrote:

That was probably smart, although the Army did well by me. I was a high school grad, couldn't afford
college, and was a utility man on a survey team. I can't bitch too much.
--
My neighbor was a commander in the CG and he got me interested in
joining. The more I got into it the more interested I was in scoring a
good school
One of my geek buddies said if I took the CREI basic electronics and
basic electricity course (101 for Harry) I could get college credit
for if I went that way and I could do well on the Navy battery. I
tacked on trig.

When I went down to the recruiter, I was just another guy until I
scored 104 on a 100 question electronic test (with 8 bonus questions)
Suddenly it was "let's make a deal". The CG won.
A month later I was in Cape May with no hair getting hollerd at

They do like people who score well on their tests!
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:56:15 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:51:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were being continuously screamed at
by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform!
--
I was pretty happy that we did not see much of that after the first
few weeks of boot camp.
They were still pretty tough on you if you screwed up but as long as
you did your job it was fairly benign. By the time I got out on a
ship, people were just about like anywhere else.
They do remind you, "screw up and people can die" but other than that
it was just a job.
New guys on a construction site have it a lot tougher.

During Basic Training at Ft Leonard Wood, I was an 'acting jack' platoon sergeant. Our real platoon
sergeant and I got along very well, and I had it pretty easy during basic. The screaming was in the
induction center in Kansas City.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental
illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military
in the first place.
Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as
looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in
Boston.
They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


I never talked to a shrink and my induction physical was in boot camp,
after I was signed up. Maybe that was because I was not drafted.
Pre induction, the only tests I took were on knowledge, aptitude and
skill.

I took a draft physical. Before I was drafted.