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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:39:15 -0400, BAR wrote: What is the difference between a car nut and a gun nut? Car nuts kill moire people More gun nuts kill on purpose than car nuts kill on purpose. ------------------- Hmmm.... do I want to be killed by someone doing it on purpose or not on purpose? Dead is dead. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/18/13 5:31 PM, Boating All Out wrote: Even worse. I had Walmart pizza for lunch. Didn't know that many businesses bar firearms in SC. Now it's Starbucks, but they're only "suggesting" you keep your firearms at home. Though I don't go to Starbucks, I understand they're a big outfit. Their "suggesting" reminds me of how it went with cigarettes. Started with something like "We appreciate if you don't smoke here." We'll see if the NRA responds. Maybe they figure they should keep their traps shut on this one. Maybe Starbucks wants to try to avoid a massacre like that one the gun nut committed in Seattle a few years ago at Cafe Racer. ------------------------------- The whole thing is stupid. Let's assume some nutcase decides he's going to shoot up a bunch of people. He decides Starbucks would be a good place because it's always crowded. Maybe he's even a ****ed off former employee of Starbucks. So, he gathers his gun, drives to the local Starbucks, gets to the door and ..... Damm! He can't go in. They don't allow guns. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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Luddite" says... ------------------------------- The whole thing is stupid. Let's assume some nutcase decides he's going to shoot up a bunch of people. He decides Starbucks would be a good place because it's always crowded. Maybe he's even a ****ed off former employee of Starbucks. So, he gathers his gun, drives to the local Starbucks, gets to the door and ..... Damm! He can't go in. They don't allow guns. hehe. Well done. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:39:15 -0400, BAR wrote: What is the difference between a car nut and a gun nut? Car nuts kill moire people More gun nuts kill on purpose than car nuts kill on purpose. Define "on purpose" Speeding, failing to yield right of way, running red lights, aggressive driving, driving drunk? Oh, for ****'s sake. How many people do you think buy a damned car thinking, I'm going to use this to kill someone.....? ---------------------------- Probably about as many as people who buy a gun for the unique purpose of killing someone. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:39:15 -0400, BAR wrote: What is the difference between a car nut and a gun nut? Car nuts kill moire people More gun nuts kill on purpose than car nuts kill on purpose. Define "on purpose" Speeding, failing to yield right of way, running red lights, aggressive driving, driving drunk? Oh, for ****'s sake. How many people do you think buy a damned car thinking, I'm going to use this to kill someone.....? ---------------------------- Probably about as many as people who buy a gun for the unique purpose of killing someone. OH, so all of those people who buy guns for "protection" equal the number of people who buy cars with the intent to kill someone with it? |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/2013 8:00 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, why not? |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/2013 8:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:39:15 -0400, BAR wrote: What is the difference between a car nut and a gun nut? Car nuts kill moire people More gun nuts kill on purpose than car nuts kill on purpose. Define "on purpose" Speeding, failing to yield right of way, running red lights, aggressive driving, driving drunk? Oh, for ****'s sake. How many people do you think buy a damned car thinking, I'm going to use this to kill someone.....? ---------------------------- Probably about as many as people who buy a gun for the unique purpose of killing someone. Ask Krause why he sold all his 9mms and bought a 45. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
In article ,
says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
In article , says...
On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/2013 10:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." Uh nay to Your "Uh no" The above statement is correct. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
In article ,
says... On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 11:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes. What does that have to do with the laws requiring non-discrimination in the public accommodation business. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/2013 11:08 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. What if you are not in the "Public Accommodation business"? The best you can rightfully say is "Uh qualified no" and Mr Luddite can rightfully say "Uh qualified yes". Sorry, you lose again. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/2013 11:21 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes. What does that have to do with the laws requiring non-discrimination in the public accommodation business. If you'd get your conditions and qualifiers out in the open at the get go, instead of throwing them in the middle of a discussion,folks would have an easier time of pinning you down. And, Oh, that goes for Loogie too |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
In article ,
says... On 9/19/13 11:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes. What does that have to do with the laws requiring non-discrimination in the public accommodation business. What I said was that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone they like, you said they didn't. That simply is not true. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:30:32 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 12:10 PM, wrote: Not only that the ADA requires that you make accommodations so that anyone with any kind of handicap has to have access to EVERY part of your business open to the public. A case in point. In Ft Myers there was a restaurant with 4 or 5 tables on a small elevated platform in back that was not accessible. There were dozens of tables in the same room that were accessible, same food, same service. The owner was sued out of existence because he would not remove 12 or more tables to build a ramp. The only unprotected class in he US is healthy, heterosexual, white, males. You can throw then out any time you want. Awwwwww. Poor baby. That Ft. Myers restauranteur could have simply removed the platform and put in four more tables. It was a structural part of the building, not just a deck. The building was "historic" and changes were limited. I suspect that most people in this country have decided that discrimination of the sort under discussion is not in our national interest. Women, for example, still only earn 75% of the pay men earn for doing similar work. Wasn't the Publix supermarket chain in your area in hot water a decade or so ago for non promoting women to managerial jobs? I am not sure about that. One of my stores has a woman general manager and there is a fairly good mix of women department managers around here. Maybe that is just an old story You did notice the phrase "a decade or so ago," right" |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." Sorry Harry. You are wrong on this one. I've booted people out of the guitar shop who weren't violating any laws but were being total asses. Not many, but a handful over the 4 plus years I had the shop. After the first experience I checked the legality of my actions with a lawyer. Perfectly legal, and within my rights as the owner of the business. I've also seen professionals banned from places of business .... in this case not mine, but one I worked for. Again, perfectly legal and within the rights of the business owner. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 2:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." Sorry Harry. You are wrong on this one. I've booted people out of the guitar shop who weren't violating any laws but were being total asses. Not many, but a handful over the 4 plus years I had the shop. After the first experience I checked the legality of my actions with a lawyer. Perfectly legal, and within my rights as the owner of the business. I've also seen professionals banned from places of business .... in this case not mine, but one I worked for. Again, perfectly legal and within the rights of the business owner. I said you couldn't discriminate for reasons that violated the law and, also, I doubt your guitar show came under the umbrella of a public accommodation. Words are important. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:51:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: What might that "significant" number be, expressed as a percentage of those killed in vehicular accidents? That is hard to measure since the act is not as overt as hanging yourself or eating a gun Driving 100 MPH on a winding road may mean you are having the "be or not to be" moment but you are just leaving the answer up to chance and luck. Toss some alcohol in there and it even becomes murkier. Cops, families and insurance companies are reluctant to call it anything but an accident. Are lot more death by car suicides than are listed. Much easier for the heirs to collect insurance from a car death. I remember a lot of years ago, a man decided to commit suicide near here. Was US50 instead of I580. He survived driving the wrong way into another car. Killed family of 5 in the other car. An accidental shooting is probably as responsible action than driving drunk. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. No they don't! You would still see Whites Only signs in Maryland. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." It wouldn't suprise me if you were banned from business because of your generally bad disposition. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. How is a diner involved in interstate commerce? |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:09:03 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... He dad already put in a new elevator to get handicapped people on the roof and made a number of other accommodations. This was the last straw. So your answer was just to abandon a couple hundred square feet of a small restaurant. Would the city stop collecting taxes on that footage? Now you're on about taxes. Hey, you're the one who said the place had "dozens" of tables and the guy closed down instead or removing 4-5 table from use. Dumb - on any level. At that point it was just the principle. Probably cheaped out on refrigeration, food sanitation, and restroom cleaning too. Why would you assume that? You sound like you are just making **** up now., This was a very high dollar restaurant Because the guy is dumb if your story is accurate. Saying it is "very high dollar restaurant" only makes him dumber. More likely, the place wasn't making money anyway, or the guy closed it because he was tired of being a "businessman." He certainly didn't have as much money as he had a while ago after the other changes he had to make. Elevators are not cheap. The community is safer. Where did you get that story? Some loonitarian website that has an "ADA Atrocities" section? It was all over the news here for over a year. It wasn't even a case of local people complaining. It was an out of town action group, driving around looking for something to complain about. You provided no cites, so I can only go by what you said. Closing a SUCCESSFUL "very high dollar restaurant" with dozens of tables because the ADA says 4-5 tables don't comply is just ****ing stupid business-wise. I tend to agree. I would have put a huge display up there pointing out how stupid some government regulation can get. He was just done. But plenty of people will cut off their nose to spite their face for political reason. His right. At least - I hope - he didn't arson it for insurance. Look in the Ft Myers archives for Peters la Cuisine He reopened in another place a few years ago so you may get off topic hits. This was a while ago. BTW, you said it was "historical." What happened to the building? For all I know, they tore it down. That whole area got renovated. Strange stuff happens when the government is involved I can look into it if you are really interested. Wayne might know, it is right across from the Ft Myers Yacht basin that just got reconfigured. We had a judge out here who finally cracked down on a lot of the ADA lawsuit business. One claimant went all over the state and his Lawyer threaten to sue if not an out of court settlement. Judge finally told the ADA claimant that he was going to jail if he filed another claim. Was making a huge income a year from the extortion. The parking lot for my insurance agent, is listed as private parking. No ADA spots. Reason. Some guy was suing insurance agents all over the state if no handicapped parking. Even if they had a lot with only 2-3 spaces. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/19/13 2:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." Sorry Harry. You are wrong on this one. I've booted people out of the guitar shop who weren't violating any laws but were being total asses. Not many, but a handful over the 4 plus years I had the shop. After the first experience I checked the legality of my actions with a lawyer. Perfectly legal, and within my rights as the owner of the business. I've also seen professionals banned from places of business .... in this case not mine, but one I worked for. Again, perfectly legal and within the rights of the business owner. I said you couldn't discriminate for reasons that violated the law and, also, I doubt your guitar show came under the umbrella of a public accommodation. Words are important. -------------------------------- Good grief. My initial first sentence following my, "Uh, yes" in response to your "Uh, no" was: ",,, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc." and, yes, a guitar shop, a pet food store, a bar, a supermarket are *all* considered public places unless they are registered as private clubs with membership requirements. You can restrict entry or boot someone out if you determine it to be necessary, again as long as you are not violating any law in doing so. There's nothing illegal about booting someone out the door if they are being obnoxious or disruptive. At least that's how it is up here. Your mileage may vary. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. You don't own your business, Kevin. Do they let you choose who you can service? Harry's best buddy Donnie posted your personal information and tried to get people to call your firm so we know you have an employer. |
Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes. You can always set the price at a level that will make them go away. Some people aren't worth the trouble or "profit"... |
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