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On 9/8/13 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/8/13 10:07 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high
efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With
some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap
out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.
SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.

He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a
$1500 Raid controller?

$1500?

More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to
pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much

My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid
RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure
what the hell that means, actually.

That does sort of look like RAID 5.
Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive
in a RAID array?
Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the
array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the
amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be
recovered from the stripes on the other drives.
You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array
while you work.

I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive
usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of
data. (one drive's worth)

Greg: here's an interesting screen cap, a maintenance routine the
server runs periodically:

http://tinyurl.com/q8qjoju

skin a cat

On 9/8/2013 10:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:39:11 -0400, skin a cat
wrote:

On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM, wrote:

I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive
usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of
data. (one drive's worth)

I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my
work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,
have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from
scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of
recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much
about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be
always there for me, I sure hope so

I guess if you don't have a lot of stuff, rebuilding the system from
scratch is not that bad but I have a lot of things running and
configuring all the apps is a PITA. You may not even realize you
forgot to load one until you try to use it.

On a windoze system you should have a C: drive image that is not too
old, even if you do have RAID.
I am still pretty unimpressed with Windoze backup.

Yeah, I run about a dozen or so programs but I will take a week or two
to rebuild when I do.

F.O.A.D.

On 9/8/13 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:33:47 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/8/13 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/8/13 10:07 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high
efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With
some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap
out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.
SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.

He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a
$1500 Raid controller?

$1500?

More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to
pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much

My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid
RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure
what the hell that means, actually.

That does sort of look like RAID 5.
Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive
in a RAID array?
Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the
array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the
amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be
recovered from the stripes on the other drives.
You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array
while you work.

That sort of sounds like the description I sort of read and sort of
understood on the synology site. I think.

Oh...the cheapo Seagate drive in my iMac was replaced with an
apple-branded drive (shows up as an apple branded drive) that allegedly
is a twice the price Hitachi Ultrastar drive that is "enterprise-rated"
for servers. That from a fellow on one of the apple forums who had a
similar problem and whose drive was replaced by one with the same apple
description and model number.

If apple updates the iMac substantially this fall or in 2014, I'll sell
this one and get the upgrade, especially if it has a large capacity SSD
instead of the combo apple now is using in the latest iMacs.

I am not sure all of that "enterprise" stuff really means much but
Hitachi is a pretty good drive.
I still don't really trust any of them.

I am also not convinced SSDs last forever.

"Cause nothin' lasts forever
Like old fords and a natural stone..."

F.O.A.D.

On 9/8/13 11:31 PM, skin a cat wrote:
On 9/8/2013 10:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:39:11 -0400, skin a cat
wrote:

On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM, wrote:

I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive
usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of
data. (one drive's worth)

I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my
work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,
have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from
scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of
recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much
about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be
always there for me, I sure hope so

I guess if you don't have a lot of stuff, rebuilding the system from
scratch is not that bad but I have a lot of things running and
configuring all the apps is a PITA. You may not even realize you
forgot to load one until you try to use it.

On a windoze system you should have a C: drive image that is not too
old, even if you do have RAID.
I am still pretty unimpressed with Windoze backup.

Yeah, I run about a dozen or so programs but I will take a week or two
to rebuild when I do.

Well, I suppose if you are unemployed and have nothing else to do,
wasting a "week or two" rebuilding the contents of a computer drive is
at least something to do, eh?

Hank©[_3_]

On 9/9/2013 6:42 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/8/13 11:31 PM, skin a cat wrote:
On 9/8/2013 10:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:39:11 -0400, skin a cat
wrote:

On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM, wrote:

I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive
usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of
data. (one drive's worth)

I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my
work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,
have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from
scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of
recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much
about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be
always there for me, I sure hope so

I guess if you don't have a lot of stuff, rebuilding the system from
scratch is not that bad but I have a lot of things running and
configuring all the apps is a PITA. You may not even realize you
forgot to load one until you try to use it.

On a windoze system you should have a C: drive image that is not too
old, even if you do have RAID.
I am still pretty unimpressed with Windoze backup.

Yeah, I run about a dozen or so programs but I will take a week or two
to rebuild when I do.

Well, I suppose if you are unemployed and have nothing else to do,
wasting a "week or two" rebuilding the contents of a computer drive is
at least something to do, eh?

Rebuilding clears the registry and gets rid of other nasty boogers that
contaminate Windows.

F.O.A.D.

On 9/9/13 2:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 07:58:37 -0400, HankÂ©
wrote:

Rebuilding clears the registry and gets rid of other nasty boogers that
contaminate Windows.

That is true and I do it now and then but I want to do it on my
schedule, not at the whim of a bad hard drive.

Actually a better plan is to create a drive image of the machine when
it is running great and use that as a starting point.
I try to keep my C: pretty small so that image is a reasonable size,
spinning on my backup.
You can use a bootable CD to restore that from the backup.
I like Drive Wizard. (Used to be MaxBlast) As long as you have a
Seagate or Maxtor drive somewhere in the system it will run. It
doesn't even have to be a working drive, it just needs to report.

Ahh, the infamous Windoze "Registry." Something I do not miss, along
with those inexplicable BSOD.

I keep the drive on my iMac around 80% empty. Every program I have, and
I have a lot of them, fits within 200 gigabytes, along with all their
data. I keep movies, music, large *.PDFs and photos on my little server.
It took about 100 minutes Saturday to "restore" the new drive in my iMac
and once I invoked the command, there was nothing else I had to do. When
I came back to the machine, everything, and I mean everything, was back
where it was supposed to be, with all data, passwords, whatever, intact,
waiting for me to log in. Unless the Windoze restore procedure has been
upgraded, I was never able to do a restore so easily with the Microsoft OS.

BAR[_2_]

In article , says...

On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 07:58:37 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

Rebuilding clears the registry and gets rid of other nasty boogers that
contaminate Windows.

That is true and I do it now and then but I want to do it on my
schedule, not at the whim of a bad hard drive.

Actually a better plan is to create a drive image of the machine when
it is running great and use that as a starting point.
I try to keep my C: pretty small so that image is a reasonable size,
spinning on my backup.
You can use a bootable CD to restore that from the backup.
I like Drive Wizard. (Used to be MaxBlast) As long as you have a
Seagate or Maxtor drive somewhere in the system it will run. It
doesn't even have to be a working drive, it just needs to report.

Forget about rebuilding just re-image.

BAR[_2_]

In article , says...

On 9/9/13 2:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 07:58:37 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

Rebuilding clears the registry and gets rid of other nasty boogers that
contaminate Windows.

That is true and I do it now and then but I want to do it on my
schedule, not at the whim of a bad hard drive.

Actually a better plan is to create a drive image of the machine when
it is running great and use that as a starting point.
I try to keep my C: pretty small so that image is a reasonable size,
spinning on my backup.
You can use a bootable CD to restore that from the backup.
I like Drive Wizard. (Used to be MaxBlast) As long as you have a
Seagate or Maxtor drive somewhere in the system it will run. It
doesn't even have to be a working drive, it just needs to report.

Ahh, the infamous Windoze "Registry." Something I do not miss, along
with those inexplicable BSOD.

I keep the drive on my iMac around 80% empty. Every program I have, and
I have a lot of them, fits within 200 gigabytes, along with all their
data. I keep movies, music, large *.PDFs and photos on my little server.
It took about 100 minutes Saturday to "restore" the new drive in my iMac
and once I invoked the command, there was nothing else I had to do. When
I came back to the machine, everything, and I mean everything, was back
where it was supposed to be, with all data, passwords, whatever, intact,
waiting for me to log in. Unless the Windoze restore procedure has been
upgraded, I was never able to do a restore so easily with the Microsoft OS.

The last time I had to use a Mac for an every day system I kept an paper clip handy so that I
could use it to hardware reset the system two to three times a day.

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