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When stand your ground is justified, period.
Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified… A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified… A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H
wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified… A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. |
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified… A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. Who said that? I said the law was applicable - in both cases. Of course, if the rapist had been black, and the girl white - then the father would have been in the wrong....correct? I'm sure krause will agree with you. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:26:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. Uh, dumbo, what was Martin doing before Zimmerman confronted him? Walking home. With Skittles. Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:26:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. Uh, dumbo, what was Martin doing before Zimmerman confronted him? Walking home. With Skittles. Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Today I followed a wrecker with my wife's car attached. At no point did I 'confront' the wrecker. There is a huge difference between 'following' and 'confronting'. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:11:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:26:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. Uh, dumbo, what was Martin doing before Zimmerman confronted him? Walking home. With Skittles. Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Today I followed a wrecker with my wife's car attached. At no point did I 'confront' the wrecker. There is a huge difference between 'following' and 'confronting'. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, I suppose that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waiting for the cops, like he was supposed to that Martin would have found him and fought him, eh, idiot? Please provide the cite backing up your statement about Zimmerman 'confronting' Martin. Otherwise, you're just spouting the same old ****. Notice I didn't have to call you a name to prove a point. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Friday, 6 September 2013 12:03:34 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:26:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. Uh, dumbo, what was Martin doing before Zimmerman confronted him? Walking home. With Skittles. Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Today I followed a wrecker with my wife's car attached. At no point did I 'confront' the wrecker. There is a huge difference between 'following' and 'confronting'. John (Gun Nut) H. -- SAY WHAT!! That brand spanking new Volkswagen Jetta with the reliable diesel engine?? Should have stayed with the trusty Toyota Highlander with it's rock solid 3.5 liter V6. |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:39:27 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Friday, 6 September 2013 12:03:34 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:26:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. Uh, dumbo, what was Martin doing before Zimmerman confronted him? Walking home. With Skittles. Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Today I followed a wrecker with my wife's car attached. At no point did I 'confront' the wrecker. There is a huge difference between 'following' and 'confronting'. John (Gun Nut) H. -- SAY WHAT!! That brand spanking new Volkswagen Jetta with the reliable diesel engine?? Should have stayed with the trusty Toyota Highlander with it's rock solid 3.5 liter V6. It would have survived the accident no better, and perhaps worse. The Highlander is less maneuverable than the VW. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On 9/6/2013 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:53:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/6/2013 11:32 AM, wrote: On the other hand sitting on someone and beating the **** out of them is illegal, just about anywhere. ... and when things go right, it gets you shot... Great, the low class idiot is espousing killing young kids. Now that thug is a "kid". Too bad Belton didn't have a gun. He would be alive today. Young unarmed "kids" are not always harmless. What "kid"? I responded to a comment about "sitting on someone beating the **** out of them". If we were talking about "kids", we probably wouldn't be talking about someone "sitting on someone beating the **** out of them"... kevin was just using the post as an excuse to call me names from under his desk again, he is fighting back in the ratings.. I guess he is fighting for don't place as prime time entertainment for the "judges" here... :) |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
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says... On 9/6/2013 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:53:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/6/2013 11:32 AM, wrote: On the other hand sitting on someone and beating the **** out of them is illegal, just about anywhere. ... and when things go right, it gets you shot... Great, the low class idiot is espousing killing young kids. Now that thug is a "kid". Too bad Belton didn't have a gun. He would be alive today. Young unarmed "kids" are not always harmless. What "kid"? I responded to a comment about "sitting on someone beating the **** out of them". If we were talking about "kids", we probably wouldn't be talking about someone "sitting on someone beating the **** out of them"... kevin was just using the post as an excuse to call me names from under his desk again, he is fighting back in the ratings.. I guess he is fighting for don't place as prime time entertainment for the "judges" here... :) ESAD, you nasty, low class vulgar neanderthal looking little puke. |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:50:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:11:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:26:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. Uh, dumbo, what was Martin doing before Zimmerman confronted him? Walking home. With Skittles. Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Today I followed a wrecker with my wife's car attached. At no point did I 'confront' the wrecker. There is a huge difference between 'following' and 'confronting'. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, I suppose that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waiting for the cops, like he was supposed to that Martin would have found him and fought him, eh, idiot? Please provide the cite backing up your statement about Zimmerman 'confronting' Martin. Otherwise, you're just spouting the same old ****. Notice I didn't have to call you a name to prove a point. John (Gun Nut) H. Do YOU think that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car like he was supposed to that the outcome would have been the same? Especially knowing that Zimmerman has a violent past? Please provide the cite backing up your statement about Zimmerman 'confronting' Martin. Otherwise, you're just spouting the same old ****. Notice I didn't have to call you a name to prove a point. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:32:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:50:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:11:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:26:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:29:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:06:33 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:43:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Finally, a stand your ground incident that is justified? A Texas father who discovered a man raping his five-year-old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands will not be charged with homicide under state law. A Lavaca County grand jury decided not to press charges against the 23-year-old father in the June 9th death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47, who was killed inside a remote shack after he was caught molesting the young girl. Under Texas state law, deadly force is authorized and indeed, justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault and coupled with the fact that the harrowing 911 calls made by the father back claims he even tried to save the pedophile's life led to the grand jury's decision. Lavaca County sheriff's deputies said that the father, whose name has not been released to protect the little girl's identity, sent her and her brother to feed the family's chickens. The boy rushed back to tell his dad that someone had grabbed his sister and taken her to a small secluded shack and the father rushed towards his daughter's screams and arrived to find them both with their underwear off. Flying into a rage, the father beat Flores unconscious, but attempted to call 911 for the rapist after he had made sure his daughter was safe. Sheriff Micah Harmon had said in June that he was not willing to press charges against the father, rather the case would be presented to a grand jury. At the time, Harmon said that the man was 'very remorseful' and didn't know at the time he had killed Flores. 'You have a right to defend your daughter,' Harmon told CNN at the time. 'The girl's father acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him.' Indeed, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. Becoming increasingly frazzled, the father at one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive. V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, sternly told reporters several times during a news conference at the Lavaca County courthouse that neither the father nor the family will ever give interviews. 'He's a peaceable soul,' Huser said. 'He had no intention to kill anybody that day.' I agree the law is very applicable in this case, as it was in the Zimmerman case. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, no difference in circumstance, at all. One was an in progress sexual battery, the other just in progress aggravated battery. No it wasn't. Martin was walking home. As the Delbert Belton case shows, nobody could be hurt by unarmed teenagers. Strange method of walking home - sitting on someone, beating them. John (Gun Nut) H. Uh, dumbo, what was Martin doing before Zimmerman confronted him? Walking home. With Skittles. Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Today I followed a wrecker with my wife's car attached. At no point did I 'confront' the wrecker. There is a huge difference between 'following' and 'confronting'. John (Gun Nut) H. Yeah, I suppose that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waiting for the cops, like he was supposed to that Martin would have found him and fought him, eh, idiot? Please provide the cite backing up your statement about Zimmerman 'confronting' Martin. Otherwise, you're just spouting the same old ****. Notice I didn't have to call you a name to prove a point. John (Gun Nut) H. Do YOU think that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car like he was supposed to that the outcome would have been the same? Especially knowing that Zimmerman has a violent past? Please provide the cite backing up your statement about Zimmerman 'confronting' Martin. Otherwise, you're just spouting the same old ****. Notice I didn't have to call you a name to prove a point. John (Gun Nut) H. Can't answer the question without looking like the fool you are, eh? Kevin, you made a statement which was false. I asked you to provide the cite (using your own MO) to back up your false statement. You could not do so. So now you wish to avoid the subject and call names. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:59:39 -0400, John H
wrote: Kevin, you made a statement which was false. I asked you to provide the cite (using your own MO) to back up your false statement. You could not do so. So now you wish to avoid the subject and call names. === Sure sounds like presidential material to me. Which party should we run him on? :-) |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 16:20:22 -0400, Gogarty wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Following is not confronting, in fact it is exactly the opposite. That's the stupidist comment I have read in a very long time. Tell me, what is "Stalking?" He who fights And runs away Lives to fight Another day. Speaking of stupid... You did make a good point however. If Martin had run away, he'd be alive to confront another day. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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says... On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 16:20:22 -0400, Gogarty wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Following is not confronting, in fact it is exactly the opposite. That's the stupidist comment I have read in a very long time. Tell me, what is "Stalking?" He who fights And runs away Lives to fight Another day. Speaking of stupid... You did make a good point however. If Martin had run away, he'd be alive to confront another day. John (Gun Nut) H. WAIT!!!! Why would Martin have to run away, if as you claim, he wasn't confronted???? |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 11:32:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 16:20:22 -0400, Gogarty wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:23:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Zimmerman confronted him? Cite? John (Gun Nut) H. Do you even READ??? From the trial: "While Zimmerman was on the phone with a police dispatcher, he began following Trayvon. Soon after, the dispatcher told Zimmerman it was not necessary for him to pursue the teen." Following is not confronting, in fact it is exactly the opposite. That's the stupidist comment I have read in a very long time. Tell me, what is "Stalking?" He who fights And runs away Lives to fight Another day. Speaking of stupid... You did make a good point however. If Martin had run away, he'd be alive to confront another day. John (Gun Nut) H. WAIT!!!! Why would Martin have to run away, if as you claim, he wasn't confronted???? Wasn't he faster than a speeding bullet? Also, I didn't say he wasn't confronted. You falsely said Zimmerman confronted him. I asked for the cite. You couldn't provide it. You changed the subject. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 19:10:38 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:11:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Cite where he didn't The phone conversation. "Why are you following me" sounds like a confrontation I'm still waiting for his 'cite' that Zimmerman 'confronted' Martin. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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When stand your ground is justified, period.
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says... On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 19:10:38 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:11:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Cite where he didn't The phone conversation. "Why are you following me" sounds like a confrontation I'm still waiting for his 'cite' that Zimmerman 'confronted' Martin. John (Gun Nut) H. The phone conversation. Again. Can you not read or is it that you are too senile to comprehend a sentence? |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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says... On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:33:22 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:11:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Cite where he didn't The phone conversation. "Why are you following me" sounds like a confrontation It sure does! That means that Zimmerman was indeed close enough to have a conversation, that would be Zimmerman confronting Martin, thanks for making my point. Zimmerman said Martin came up to him. And of course, you automatically 100% believe that, even after the phone conversation..... In fact, if he really thought he was initiating a confrontation, wouldn't he have been more prepared to draw his gun? He was. This actually makes perfect sense, unlike the FOX rhetoric: http://tinyurl.com/ptadzn2 |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
In article ,
says... On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:33:53 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 19:10:38 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:11:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Cite where he didn't The phone conversation. "Why are you following me" sounds like a confrontation I'm still waiting for his 'cite' that Zimmerman 'confronted' Martin. John (Gun Nut) H. The phone conversation. Again. Can you not read or is it that you are too senile to comprehend a sentence? The phone conversation backs up Zimmerman's story. How? |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:33:22 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:11:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Cite where he didn't The phone conversation. "Why are you following me" sounds like a confrontation It sure does! That means that Zimmerman was indeed close enough to have a conversation, that would be Zimmerman confronting Martin, thanks for making my point. Well, if Zimmerman was close enough to Martin, then Martin was also close enough to Zimmerman. That would be Martin confronting Zimmerman. Thanks for making my point. What is the most dense material you can imagine? John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
In article ,
says... On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 12:40:51 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:33:22 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:11:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Cite where he didn't The phone conversation. "Why are you following me" sounds like a confrontation It sure does! That means that Zimmerman was indeed close enough to have a conversation, that would be Zimmerman confronting Martin, thanks for making my point. Zimmerman said Martin came up to him. And of course, you automatically 100% believe that, even after the phone conversation..... Because of the conversation In fact, if he really thought he was initiating a confrontation, wouldn't he have been more prepared to draw his gun? He was. This actually makes perfect sense, unlike the FOX rhetoric: http://tinyurl.com/ptadzn2 That all assumes Zimmerman did confront Martin but nothing in his history would suggest that, He was a "creepy assed cracker" because he was skulking around watching martin from a distance. If he had the gun in his hand, the shot would have been fired a lot sooner. Certainly before he was beaten up. If he was flat on his back, getting the **** beat out of him by a kid half his size, as you and FOX maintain, then how did Zimmerman get his gun that was in the small of his back? UNLESS he had it out beforehand. |
When stand your ground is justified, period.
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