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Our great capitalist society...
On 9/4/13 6:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:57:09 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. Well crap! I wasn't out in the middle of the damn ocean! This was I-95 going around Boston. We traded in the trailer. Got a bigger one. Pay a *lot* more attention to cabinet storage. Live and learn. John (Gun Nut) H. --------------------------------- Like boating, you have a severe case of "two-foot-itist". Not to worry. There are many others. Wait until Herring's supertrailer wheels fall into a pothole while he is buzzing along the interstates. |
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On 9/4/2013 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:11:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 2:08 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 12:31 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... They closed the beltway a lane at a time and addressed it after several serious accidents and stories on TV about it. Surprised more people didn't die.. I know if I hit a 5 inch edge with my Jeep, at anything over say, 30 miles an hour, there is no way I would maintain control... Knowing what I know about cars, I can say with almost certainty that that five inch "curb" at speed would collapse the front end of my jeep... I imagine the bike you fixed must have busted in half up near the neck... I suspect the boys here who are talking about 5" curbs across an entire highway are the same boys who tried to convince their wives that 2" was 5". This was whole slabs of the beltway, maybe 20'x30' that were just tilting up. That heave we went over was every bit of 5-6" It was only in a few areas but it was real. There may even be some archived stories about it on the Post web site mid 70s. (75-76?) I might have a dated picture of that sportster somewhere. They blamed it on construction problems on the new lanes. Either way, I don't blame John for staying out of this one:) I suspect he might have been a bit off on the height of the step up/down he hit. At the same time, he may have been "traveling too fast for conditions" when he hit that thing at that speed.... Don't know if that provision is used down there but "too fast for conditions" can be moving 35 in a 50 mph zone, depending on "conditions"... If it was unmarked and out of the blue I can possibly understand, but if you are traveling in or around a major city, at least when I am in areas like that I have a rule... I don't over drive my headlights... If I can't see it before I can stop, I am going too fast.... Just my thing. Later and please John, if you are reading this, I am not trying to start a fight, just saying you might have missed a sign, or just not seen it coming, nothing more.... |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. |
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On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. |
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On 9/4/2013 5:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the road... No road under construction. Normal speed limits - probably 65, although maybe 55. Well, maybe the drop off was only 3", I didn't get out and measure. They were worse than anything I've ever seen on an overpass. There were three or four on the stretch around Boston. John (Gun Nut) H. I can see a 2-3 inch drop off and in a "non construction" area.... In CT at least you would see a sign that indicated a "bump" or something "ahead".... But yeah, I can see 2-3 inches... I guess I am more familiar with how roads "work" up here and I drive with a trailer on more than not so I "smell" stuff like that coming:) Not to mention, I am somewhat neurotic and even superstitious in some of the precautions I take before, and when towing a trailer.. I won't go deeper than to say those of you who have paid attention over the years have heard me refer to the "walk around" I do before my wheels ever move, ever.... no matter what... |
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On 9/4/2013 5:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 11:01 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the road... I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... How's this, "The height may have been only 2-3", but felt like a half foot!" So accuse me of lying, as though I give a rat's ass. They were the worst 'bumps' I've ever experienced on a highway. John (Gun Nut) H. Sorry John, knew you would take it that way.. Just trying to keep a handle on things in this conversation. Remember, the libs here are waiting for us to screw up so they can get back to saying the whole country is falling apart...... Lighten up, I know two inches at 65 probably felt like a foot.... I get it, I tow a lot up here, really I do..... |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying equipment. These are subsidies. What business doesn't get depreciation allowances? You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant. You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives them back. That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even cover the cost of running the train. There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail. A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh? ------------------------- I don't understand what you are talking about. I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business .... call it a fork truck. I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer. I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates in value. I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes. How the hell is *that* a subsidy? Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of direct payments. --------------------------- Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing. Good example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric or hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or house. Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get back" in tax credits some of your investment costs. Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses .... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is not a "subsidy" of any kind or shape. Really? The net effect is a lowering of taxes...a subsidy allowed by the government. --------------------------------- Lowering from what? Home ownership spurs the economy in a big way. The more people who can legitimately buy a house (and make the payments), the more snowballing effect it has on the economy. Construction goes up, appliance sales go up, unemployment goes down and tax revenues increase. It's not a subsidy. It's a tax incentive for home ownership that increases tax revenues. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. ------------------------- Good. Let them disagree. Take away the mortgage interest deduction and watch overall tax revenues *decrease* as the economy goes from slow forward to dead stop. |
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On 9/4/13 7:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying equipment. These are subsidies. What business doesn't get depreciation allowances? You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant. You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives them back. That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even cover the cost of running the train. There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail. A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh? ------------------------- I don't understand what you are talking about. I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business .... call it a fork truck. I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer. I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates in value. I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes. How the hell is *that* a subsidy? Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of direct payments. --------------------------- Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing. Good example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric or hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or house. Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get back" in tax credits some of your investment costs. Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses .... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is not a "subsidy" of any kind or shape. Really? The net effect is a lowering of taxes...a subsidy allowed by the government. --------------------------------- Lowering from what? Home ownership spurs the economy in a big way. The more people who can legitimately buy a house (and make the payments), the more snowballing effect it has on the economy. Construction goes up, appliance sales go up, unemployment goes down and tax revenues increase. It's not a subsidy. It's a tax incentive for home ownership that increases tax revenues. A tax incentive is a subsidy. |
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