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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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Our entire governmental system is based upon the many helping the few.

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Not a surprising statement from you but entirely untrue.

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On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:57:09 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H
wrote:

Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken.
What a mess.

===

Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time.
All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now.

Well crap! I wasn't out in the middle of the damn ocean! This was I-95 going around Boston.

We traded in the trailer. Got a bigger one. Pay a *lot* more attention to cabinet storage. Live and
learn.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

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On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H
wrote:

Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken.
What a mess.

===

Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time.
All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now.


I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was
going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit
could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be
moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no
way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the
road...


No road under construction. Normal speed limits - probably 65, although maybe 55. Well, maybe the
drop off was only 3", I didn't get out and measure. They were worse than anything I've ever seen on
an overpass. There were three or four on the stretch around Boston.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

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On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 9/4/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H
wrote:

Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken.
What a mess.

===

Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time.
All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now.


I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was
going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit
could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be
moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no
way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the
road...


I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one
of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for
him.



Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside
Boston that would be addressed somehow...

How's this, "The height may have been only 2-3", but felt like a half foot!"

So accuse me of lying, as though I give a rat's ass. They were the worst 'bumps' I've ever
experienced on a highway.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

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On 9/4/13 5:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:43:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 12:33 PM, wrote:

Avis makes a profit from my rental.
CSX is not even covering their costs from Amtrak and that is actually
tax money from people who never ride a train.


Costs? What costs? Certainly not additional wear and tear, since a short
passenger train weighs only a fraction of what a freight train ways, and
there are only a couple of passenger trains a day between here and
Florida. CSX's approach to track repair seems to be to repair it when a
freight train derails.

OK you may be right Amorak takes our tax money and gives it to CSX for
the use of their track.
How is that any more than another subsidy from people who never ride a
train to the few who do?



Our entire governmental system is based upon the many helping the few.
Why should train travel be any different?

Why should we be subsidizing the cost of flood insurance for those who
purchase it?

So you admit Amtrak is a welfare program.


I just picked the example I knew would get a rise out of you. There are
many programs subsidized by us that benefit the relatively few. Some,
such as research for rare diseases, are necessary for a civilization to
engage in if it is truly civilized. Some are not. I'm sure we could each
make up a list that satisfies our side in this discussion.

Who pays to maintain all those canals you southern Floridians so like?

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message

There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are
subsidies.

Period.

----------------------------

My business made significant investments in manufacturing and
engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax
laws
every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy".




Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest.

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How the heck is that a "subsidy"?

Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does?

Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's
10 years old?

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:


Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for
buying
equipment. These are subsidies.

What business doesn't get depreciation allowances?

You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation
allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your
accountant.

You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies
but
the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government
gives
them back.
That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even
cover the cost of running the train.


There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they
are
subsidies.

Period.

Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby).
That
is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger
rail.


A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh?

-------------------------

I don't understand what you are talking about.

I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business ....
call it a fork truck.
I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer.

I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates
in
value.
I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes.

How the hell is *that* a subsidy?


Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they
are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of
direct payments.

---------------------------

Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are
intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing.
Good example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric
or hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or
house. Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get
back" in tax credits some of your investment costs.

Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses
..... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is
not a "subsidy" of any kind or shape.

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On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message

There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are
subsidies.

Period.

----------------------------

My business made significant investments in manufacturing and
engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws
every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy".




Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest.

-------------------------------------

How the heck is that a "subsidy"?

Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does?

Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10
years old?

You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home
ownership?

Our great capitalist society...
 

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:57:09 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H
wrote:

Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves
broken.
What a mess.

===

Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time.
All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now.

Well crap! I wasn't out in the middle of the damn ocean! This was I-95
going around Boston.

We traded in the trailer. Got a bigger one. Pay a *lot* more attention
to cabinet storage. Live and
learn.

John (Gun Nut) H.

---------------------------------

Like boating, you have a severe case of "two-foot-itist".
Not to worry. There are many others.

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On 9/4/13 6:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying
equipment. These are subsidies.

What business doesn't get depreciation allowances?

You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation
allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant.

You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but
the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives
them back.
That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even
cover the cost of running the train.


There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are
subsidies.

Period.

Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That
is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail.


A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh?

-------------------------

I don't understand what you are talking about.

I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business ....
call it a fork truck.
I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer.

I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates in
value.
I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes.

How the hell is *that* a subsidy?


Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they
are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of
direct payments.

---------------------------

Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are
intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing. Good
example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric or
hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or house.
Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get back" in tax
credits some of your investment costs.

Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses
.... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is not
a "subsidy" of any kind or shape.



Really? The net effect is a lowering of taxes...a subsidy allowed by the
government.