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On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:58:47 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/28/13 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:58:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Rehab, any kind, is generally ineffective over the long haul.
People either decide to stop or they don't but you can't make them if
they don't want to.

Right, so let's not even try, right?

The question is "how many times"?

The guy next door to me has been to rehab about 10 times, at tax payer
expense and it has not made a lick of difference. He calls it "going
to the spa"
This is the same guy who has been "Baker acted" about a dozen times
(involuntary assessment for "up to 72 hours")
He has that down to about 4 hours because he knows what to say.

They tried jail the last time and he was supposed to be locked up for
a while but I still see him walking around. (if you can call that
shuffling stumble "walking")

I tried to help for years but I gave up on him 3 arrests ago.
This guy can really tell a story and make you believe he wants to get
better but once a junkie, always a junkie.

Well, we all know that your years of experience with the addict next
door plus, of course, your years of experience treating addicts of all
varieties plus your educational background plus your years of
supervision give you the wherewithal to make black or white
pronouncements about the efficacy of all manner of treatment for all
manner of addicts.

There's no question that successfully treating substance abuse is not an
easy task, and that a high percentage of addicts fall back into their
bad habits. But that doesn't mean we should give up on addicts and
addiction treatment.

Oh, and "once a junkie, always a junkie" is hyperbolic bull****.

How many do you know?
How many were cured?

The guy next door is just a good example of lots of experience I have
with a number of these people.
Maybe it is just because I don't live in that rarified air of academia
you live in.
Addicts there are more deeply closeted and hidden from view by
families rich enough to keep them under wraps.

One of the TWO persons I intimately dealt with for substance abuse damn
near died, I didn't even know that person was as bad as he was. When I
talked to a REAL psychiatrist, he said you know, addicts are the
sneakiest people there are. It amazes me how much they really know about
the art of hiding their problem. That's true!!

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