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On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:24:37 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:12:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Has anyone had any better success with drug addiction?

The 12-Step programs are self-help and reassurance programs, they are
not the sort of "therapy" many addicts need. That therapy incorporates
traditional therapy, whether individual or group, and in many cases,
prescription therapy. If a drug addict goes cold turkey by
himself/herself and right into some 12-step program, the addict has a
good chance of falling over and dying.

The religious underpinnings and overlay of 12-step programs are
off-putting for many addicts. A lot of people simply don't want religion
shoved down their throats.

Conventional therapy is substituting one drug for another.

That's only one form.

Is Methadone really that much better than Heroin?
I understand drug companies make the money not drug smugglers but the
drug is about the same.

Tax revenue!

Religion based programs do have the advantage that they are
substituting a belief for a drug but I guess you think that is as bad.

I do agree it is not the kind of thing that will be successful if it
is just a sentence from a court. They have to believe it will work or
it won't work. The reality is these things don't really work anyway
until the addict decides they don't want to be addicted anymore.
For some, there is no "bottom" that is low enough to do that.

Maybe we should just have drug zones and let them kill themselves.
Free drugs, all you want anytime you want them and come in every
morning with a Bobcat to pick up the bodies.

Bobcats don't eat that much.... (Humor, come on!!!)

We may not have much to argue about here.

I am guessing you have had some addicts in your close circle and you
have hit the wall more times than you want to admit, trying to help
them.

Me too.

And I may add, the assholes that said Oh, if so and so wanted to quit
(insert what drug here) they could! That of course is horse****, I've
watched it with my own eyes.

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