Posit:

What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is
that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without
retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

....As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was .... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

On 8/2/13 7:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."



Absolutely correct. Had it happened, we'd have a better society,
dominated by ordinary people instead of large corporations.

If you are offering that quote up as "proof" that Alinsky was a
communist, you failed. He wasn't even a socialist. The righties used to
call George Meany a communist, which was hilarious. Meany was as
anti-communist as you could possibly be.

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."


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Sounds like you understand Harry perfectly. He couldn't climb the
ladder so no one else should either.

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

When did we elect this person to the Presidency, to Congress or to any
other office?

Is he running things from a secret bunker with Dick Cheney?

On 8/2/2013 7:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.


You were the admin. assistant taking the minutes. Got it.

On 8/2/2013 7:59 AM, wrote:

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.



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Sounds more like excuses for being under employed or unemployed than
reality. You have to remember that the competitive climate in
corporations has changed dramatically in the past decade. China (and
other countries) can produce products at a tenth of the cost of an
American manufacturer and in order to stay in business the American
manufacturer has to either cut costs or join the bandwagon and
outsource their manufacturing.

American consumers have demonstrated that they prefer the lower costs
and abundance of products made in China or elsewhere. I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are 10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

On 8/2/13 9:12 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:01:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are 10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

Maybe they have the mind set of CEOs?


Aim higher, like 400 times or more what the average worker earns.

wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:01:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are
10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

Maybe they have the mind set of CEOs?

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Standard response. The majority of American CEOs don't receive
disproportionate wages, benefits or bonuses.
Those that do are typically hired hands with a contract with a public
company, charged with increasing profits and stock values ... for
whom?

The stock holders .... many invested through 401K plans .... who
expect stock performance while at the same time complaining about
their own wage and benefit packages. Mutually exclusive goals.

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:28:17 -0400, wrote:

Standard response. The AVERAGE CEO makes $7,000 per hour, that is just
bull****. No matter how you *feel* about this, the facts speak for
themselves.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-p...dinarily-high/

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How much does the average professional golfer, baseball, football or
basketball player make per hour? What about television
"personalities" or other entertainers? At least CEOs are contributing
to the economy in some positive way. Your envy cup runneth over, just
like Harry's.