In article ,
says...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:21:12 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:01:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are
10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

Maybe they have the mind set of CEOs?

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Standard response. The majority of American CEOs don't receive
disproportionate wages, benefits or bonuses.
Those that do are typically hired hands with a contract with a public
company, charged with increasing profits and stock values ... for
whom?

The stock holders .... many invested through 401K plans .... who
expect stock performance while at the same time complaining about
their own wage and benefit packages. Mutually exclusive goals.


Standard response. The AVERAGE CEO makes $7,000 per hour, that is just
bull****. No matter how you *feel* about this, the facts speak for
themselves.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-p...dinarily-high/

My, my. I think Richard's got his knees jerking.
Real "company lines" there.
People gaining significant benefits from 401k's are high
wage earners. High wage earners generally don't complain
about their wage and benefit packages.
Because...they are high wage earners.
Some even have defined benefit pensions to go along with
fat 401k's. I did.
But we are the few, not the many.
Gee, it's like Richard never heard of "income
inequality" being a problem serious here in the Good Ole
U.S.A.
Even Joe Scarborough talks about it.
Of course that all can be entirely meaningless in
personal practical terms.
If you have the money to get by. I do, and I suspect
Richard does.
So why worry about it? It's a dog eat dog world.
Until the big dog pack forms up and starts howling for
more meat.
Chances are looking better for more unionization as this
gets worse. Alternately, government will step up welfare
programs.
The writing is on the wall, because current practices
aren't sustainable.
Won't bother me however it turns out.
I don't care if the average CEO takes in $7k an hour
while running a company into the ground.
I mean, CEO's are geniuses, right? They deserve whatever
they can steal, right?
hehe.

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:46:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:10:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.

For somebody that spent his entire life being paid either by the
Federal or State government, I'd like to know how you have ANY direct
experience with this.

Friends, neighbors, relatives and common sense. I don't spend my time believing MSNBC and Harry
Krause.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On 8/2/13 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:10:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.

For somebody that spent his entire life being paid either by the
Federal or State government, I'd like to know how you have ANY direct
experience with this.



Herring sucked on various government teats his entire work life, and now
he's sucking on them for his retirement.

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:29:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:10:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.

For somebody that spent his entire life being paid either by the
Federal or State government, I'd like to know how you have ANY direct
experience with this.



Herring sucked on various government teats his entire work life, and now
he's sucking on them for his retirement.

The difference, Harry, is that I actually did some work for what I got and get, unlike those getting
the free handouts to buy their votes.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On 8/2/2013 6:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:29:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:10:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.

For somebody that spent his entire life being paid either by the
Federal or State government, I'd like to know how you have ANY direct
experience with this.



Herring sucked on various government teats his entire work life, and now
he's sucking on them for his retirement.

I don't have as big a problem with that, as I have that he continually
bites the hand that is feeding him.

The dole IS the dole. We don't need to rehash that silly argument
about what "IS" is.


So, I wonder how harry feels about living off the dole of his wife and
her fake degree, or don living off his wifes inheritance and spending it
like a drunken sailor lately???

On 8/2/13 7:36 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 8/2/2013 6:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:29:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:10:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle
class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and
without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief:
"Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist
transformation would require an alliance between the struggling
middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change,
Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class
against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.

For somebody that spent his entire life being paid either by the
Federal or State government, I'd like to know how you have ANY direct
experience with this.



Herring sucked on various government teats his entire work life, and now
he's sucking on them for his retirement.

I don't have as big a problem with that, as I have that he continually
bites the hand that is feeding him.

The dole IS the dole. We don't need to rehash that silly argument
about what "IS" is.


So, I wonder how harry feels about living off the dole of his wife and
her fake degree, or don living off his wifes inheritance and spending it
like a drunken sailor lately???

Sorry, bozo, but my wife doesn't support me, nor are her university
degrees fake.

On Friday, 2 August 2013 20:36:02 UTC-3, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
snip...

So, I wonder how harry feels about living off the dole of his wife and

her fake degree, or don living off his wifes inheritance and spending it

like a drunken sailor lately???


Say what?
I didn't ask for or receive a penny from my wife's inheritance.
In fact I was under the impression it was a very modest pittance.
I would have much rather been on Inky's will.
Hell...you inherited an entire house and you weren't even his real kid.

In article ,
says...

On 8/2/2013 6:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:29:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:10:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America?s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.

For somebody that spent his entire life being paid either by the
Federal or State government, I'd like to know how you have ANY direct
experience with this.



Herring sucked on various government teats his entire work life, and now
he's sucking on them for his retirement.

I don't have as big a problem with that, as I have that he continually
bites the hand that is feeding him.

The dole IS the dole. We don't need to rehash that silly argument
about what "IS" is.


So, I wonder how harry feels about living off the dole of his wife and
her fake degree, or don living off his wifes inheritance and spending it
like a drunken sailor lately???

He says while being unemployed.......

On 8/2/2013 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:10:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:59:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.

More bull**** piled on bull****.

John (Gun Nut) H.

For somebody that spent his entire life being paid either by the
Federal or State government, I'd like to know how you have ANY direct
experience with this.


To answer that question would be to say we beleive your bull**** story
above.. thus... bull****, piled on bull****...