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F.O.A.D. August 2nd 13 11:32 AM

Ain't we great?
 
8 appalling ways America leads the world
Welcome to the new American exceptionalism: Number one in obesity, guns,
prisoners, anxiety and more ...
By Lynn Stuart Parramore

This article originally appeared on Alternet.

People uninterested in change and progress tend to cling to the
jingoistic fantasy that America is an exceptional country. Often this
implies that the U.S. is somehow superior to other nations. Some, like
the neocons, have taken the idea of exceptionalism to mean that America
should be above the law and that other countries should be remade in our
image. Others, like conservative evangelicals, believe that America’s
supposed exceptionalism is God’s will.

In recent decades, America has indeed pulled ahead of the global pack in
a number of areas. But they aren’t necessarily things to go waving the
flag over or thanking Jehovah.

1. Most expensive place to have a baby.In the U.S., having a baby is
going to cost you, big-time, before you even get that bundle of joy
home. The New York Times reports that on average, a hospital delivery
costs $9,775 — and make that $15,041 if you’re having a Cesarean. No
other first-world country on earth expects new parents to shell out that
kind of money just for the privilege of procreating.

You might think insurance would help. You’d be wrong. A staggering 62
percent of private plans come with zilch in the way of maternity
coverage. Mothers-to-be are dragged through what the Times calls “an
extended shopping trip though the American healthcare bazaar” where they
try to figure out the cost of things like ultrasounds and blood tests.
Pricing is often opaque and widely variable, and it’s common for mothers
to receive treatments they don’t necessarily need. Even when insurance
does cover maternity care, between the deductibles and co-insurance
fees, women can expect to shell out thousands in out-of-pocket expenses:
an average of $3,400.

Do American mothers get some kind of unusual care for all that dough?
Nope. They receive the same services moms receive in other first-world
countries; they just pay for them individually and at higher rates.

2. Obesity. The U.S. has been ranked as the most obese country in the
world, though a recent report by the U.N. says that Mexico is pulling
ahead of us. Not surprisingly, obesity is considered a national health
crisis and contributes to an estimated 100,000 to 400,000 deaths in the
U.S. per year. In 2010, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
reported that 35.7 percent of American adults are obese, and 17 percent
of American children. More than two-thirds of American adults are either
overweight or obese.

Americans are ballooning for a number of reasons, including our fondness
for fried food, sugary drinks, cheap, pre-packaged foods, processed
meats, our sedentary lifestyle, particularly television-watching, too
little sleep, and a lack of exercise. Obesity is associated with
diabetes, heart disease, complications in pregnancy, strokes, liver
disease —the list goes on and on. The obesity epidemic is also
responsible for increased healthcare use and expenditures. Kentucky is
the most obese state, and Colorado is the least obese.

Researchers predict that the cost of obesity in the U.S. is likely to
reach $344 billion by 2018.

3. Anxiety disorders.Americans are freaking out. Researchers have looked
at the prevalence of various types of mental illness around the globe
and found that the U.S. is the world champion in anxiety. According to
the 2009 results of the World Health Organization’s World Mental Health
Survey, 19 percent of Americans were found to experience a clinical
anxiety disorder over a given 12-month period. The National Institutes
of Health puts the number at 18 percent of adults, which means that at
least 40 million Americans are suffering.

Researchers have found that anxiety disorders, which include several
varieties such as generalized anxiety disorder, obsessive-compulsive
disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder,take a tremendous toll on
the population. Often, anxiety disorders are associated with other
ailments such as chronic pain and they tend to limit the sufferer’s
participation in daily activities. The disorders are more prevalent in
women, and only a third of sufferers receive treatment specifically
addressed at anxiety.

The Anxiety and Depression Association of America finds that people
suffering from anxiety disorders are up to five times more likely to go
to the doctor in general and six times more likely to be hospitalized
for psychiatric disorders than others.

4. Small arms ownership.The Graduate Institute of International Studies
in Geneva ranks the U.S. number one in both the total number of civilian
firearms and in per capita ownership of small firearms, beating out
recent war zones like Yemen, Serbia and Iraq.

In fact, we may even have more guns in the U.S. than we have people: The
rate of private gun ownership in the U.S. was tabulated at 101.05
firearms per 100 individuals in one study. According to a recent report
on CNN, Americans own as many as one-third of the guns in the entire
world. Research also shows that while the number of households with guns
has declined, current gun owners are stockpiling more guns. Part of this
concentration seems to stem from the fact that guns are primarily
marketed to people who already own guns.

A related statistic: In the U.S., the gun-related murder rate is the
second highest in the developed world. Only Mexico, where the ongoing
drug war expands the number, has us beat.

5. Most people behind bars.Incarceration rates in the U.S. blow right
past the likes of Russia, Cuba, Iran or China. According to the
International Center for Prison Studies, the U.S. locks up 716 out of
every 100,000 people. Norway, in contrast, only puts 71 out of 100,000
in the clink. Japan jails 54 and Iceland locks up only 47 out of 100,000.

The latest stats show that the total prison population of the U.S.,
including pre-trial detainees and remand prisoners, is 2,239,751. These
people are behind bars at 4,575 different facilities. The estimated
capacity of our prisons, by the way, is only 2,134,000. In 2010, there
were an estimated 70,792 juveniles locked away.

Racism is rife in the prison system, with blacks and Hispanics
disproportionately represented. Inhumane conditions abound, from poor
care for those suffering from serious diseases like HIV/AIDS to the
torture of solitary confinement to rape to abuse of the mentally ill.
Debtor’s prisons are thought to be a relic of the 19th century, but
starting in 2011, in the U.S. you can find yourself imprisoned for debt
in several states, including Florida. High rates of imprisonment seem to
derive from a number of factors, including long sentences, the
incarceration of non-violent offenders (20 percent of the prison
population is made up of drug offenders) and the privatization trend, in
which private corporations rely on “growth” models to increase their
profits.

6. Energy use per person.The U.S. is the global leader in the amount of
energy use per person. We get top billing in electricity consumption,
we’re miles ahead of everybody in oil consumption, and when it comes to
coal consumption, we’re number two, right behind China.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration reports that Americans
account for nearly 19 percent of Planet Earth’s total primary energy
consumption, which comes from petroleum, natural gas, coal, nuclear, and
renewable energy. Aboutone-quarter of primary energy consumed in the
U.S. in 2011 was supplied came from natural gas, made cheap through
fracking.

Factors contributing to high use include the cost of heating and cooling
increasingly large homes, electricity requirements for home electronics,
the high amount of energy required to produce consumer goods in the
industrial sector, and transportation usage.

U.S. energy consumption almost tripled from 1950 to 2007, driven by
population growth and increased standards of living, and then dipped in
2009 due to the Great Recession. The U.S. is predicted to experience a
slight decline in energy use in the coming years, but world energy
demand is on pace to double by 2050.

7. Health expenditures. The U.S. devotes more of its economy to health
than any other country, 17.6 percent of GDP in 2010, and the trend is
slanted upward. We spend more in every category of healthcare,
especially in administration costs, due to the existence of thousands of
different insurance companies.

Yet the Commonwealth Fund ranked the U.S. dead last in healthcare
quality among similar countries, while noting that U.S. care is the most
expensive. A coronary bypass in the U.S., for example, costs 50 percent
more than it would cost you in Canada, Australia and France, and twice
as much as you’d pay in Germany.

Despite all the money sloshing around, the U.S. has fewer physicians per
person than most other OECD countries, fewer hospital beds, and a lower
life expectancy at birth, according to a recent PBS report. The same
report stated that the U.S. spent $8,233 on health per person in 2010.
The next highest spenders, Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland spent
at least $3,000 less per person.

8. Cocaine use.When it comes to cocaine use, we’ve got a tie with Spain.
In both countries, according to the 2008 World Drug Report released by
the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, three percent of adults and teens say
they’ve given it a try.

Between 2006 and 2010, cocaine use is reported to have declined
significantly in the U.S., but demand has by no means disappeared: about
2 million Americans are regular users (crack users account for about
700,000 of these). Colombia was once the major supplier of cocaine to
Americans, but it has now fallen behind Bolivia and Peru, according to
the Office of National Drug Control Policy. Cocaine is the second most
popular drug behind pot, but unlike marijuana, it is associated with
high rates of death, particularly due to cardiac arrest.

Interesting factoid: Cocaine has a nasty link to industrial capitalism.
It first became popular with laborers as a way of increasing
productivity, and employers often supplied the drug.

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Have a really nice day.

F.O.A.D. August 2nd 13 05:40 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 06:32:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

8 appalling ways America leads the world


You could blame most of this on lawyers and advertising


But I don't.

F.O.A.D. August 2nd 13 08:25 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/13 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:40:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 11:56 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 06:32:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

8 appalling ways America leads the world

You could blame most of this on lawyers and advertising


But I don't.


No shock there but you don't think the fact that the US has the
highest insurance rates for OB/GYN than any other country in the world
is a problem.
You don't think we eat so much sugar and fat because it is so
aggressively marketed and I doubt you put lifestyle very high on the
list of reasons why we look so unhealthy. Again that lifestyle is
aggressively marketed to us.



I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.

John H[_2_] August 2nd 13 09:09 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:25:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:40:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 11:56 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 06:32:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

8 appalling ways America leads the world

You could blame most of this on lawyers and advertising


But I don't.


No shock there but you don't think the fact that the US has the
highest insurance rates for OB/GYN than any other country in the world
is a problem.
You don't think we eat so much sugar and fat because it is so
aggressively marketed and I doubt you put lifestyle very high on the
list of reasons why we look so unhealthy. Again that lifestyle is
aggressively marketed to us.



I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.


Yes, but you and your will power are head and shoulders above the rest of the population.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

F.O.A.D. August 2nd 13 10:20 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/13 5:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:25:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 2:10 PM,
wrote:

You could blame most of this on lawyers and advertising


But I don't.

No shock there but you don't think the fact that the US has the
highest insurance rates for OB/GYN than any other country in the world
is a problem.
You don't think we eat so much sugar and fat because it is so
aggressively marketed and I doubt you put lifestyle very high on the
list of reasons why we look so unhealthy. Again that lifestyle is
aggressively marketed to us.



I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.


Maybe being in the business jaded you to the ads but if they didn't
work, ad agencies would not be able to sell them and it would not be
12-14 minutes of every hour on TV.

It is also why ads cost a couple billion dollars an election cycle
these days. Somebody must believe ads work.


In Detroit, I wrote ads and news release stuff for a reference book
publisher, Motown Records, financial PR, and then in DC, I wrote ads for
Porsche of America, Florists Marketing Council, a couple of unions,
trade associations and ads and PR for Ringling Brothers. No cigs, booze,
crappyburgers or sodapop. Even handled a couple of local car dealers and
a department store. Most of the ads were aimed at building traffic,
e.g., getting customers to the dealer's showroom. After that, it was up
to the salesman or saleswoman. Had a lot of fun doing Mercedes and Fiat
radio commercials for a local dealer. Back then the car dealers were
individually or family owned, much better than dealing with "the suits."

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 3rd 13 12:13 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/2013 4:09 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:25:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:40:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 11:56 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 06:32:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

8 appalling ways America leads the world

You could blame most of this on lawyers and advertising


But I don't.

No shock there but you don't think the fact that the US has the
highest insurance rates for OB/GYN than any other country in the world
is a problem.
You don't think we eat so much sugar and fat because it is so
aggressively marketed and I doubt you put lifestyle very high on the
list of reasons why we look so unhealthy. Again that lifestyle is
aggressively marketed to us.



I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.


Yes, but you and your will power are head and shoulders above the rest of the population.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I still see the penis cars aggressively marketed by showing stunt
drivers driving like assholes generally... then they tell you not to do
it in a disclaimer...

F.O.A.D. August 3rd 13 12:19 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/13 7:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 8/2/2013 4:09 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:25:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:40:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 11:56 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 06:32:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

8 appalling ways America leads the world

You could blame most of this on lawyers and advertising


But I don't.

No shock there but you don't think the fact that the US has the
highest insurance rates for OB/GYN than any other country in the world
is a problem.
You don't think we eat so much sugar and fat because it is so
aggressively marketed and I doubt you put lifestyle very high on the
list of reasons why we look so unhealthy. Again that lifestyle is
aggressively marketed to us.



I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.


Yes, but you and your will power are head and shoulders above the rest
of the population.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I still see the penis cars aggressively marketed by showing stunt
drivers driving like assholes generally... then they tell you not to do
it in a disclaimer...



And of course, you would try to drive it like the asshole, ignoring the
advice in the disclaimer...while you were smoking a cigarette and
chomping on a Big Mac.

F.O.A.D. August 3rd 13 12:50 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/13 7:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:20:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 5:08 PM,
wrote:

I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.

Maybe being in the business jaded you to the ads but if they didn't
work, ad agencies would not be able to sell them and it would not be
12-14 minutes of every hour on TV.

It is also why ads cost a couple billion dollars an election cycle
these days. Somebody must believe ads work.


In Detroit, I wrote ads and news release stuff for a reference book
publisher, Motown Records, financial PR, and then in DC, I wrote ads for
Porsche of America, Florists Marketing Council, a couple of unions,
trade associations and ads and PR for Ringling Brothers. No cigs, booze,
crappyburgers or sodapop. Even handled a couple of local car dealers and
a department store. Most of the ads were aimed at building traffic,
e.g., getting customers to the dealer's showroom. After that, it was up
to the salesman or saleswoman. Had a lot of fun doing Mercedes and Fiat
radio commercials for a local dealer. Back then the car dealers were
individually or family owned, much better than dealing with "the suits."


Did you believe your ads were going to coax someone into buying your
product who might not have if they didn't see the ad?
That was the point.


That was your point. Mine was that we didn't sell harmful crap such as
cigs, boozes, unhealthy food.

jps August 3rd 13 12:54 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:17:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:20:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 5:08 PM,
wrote:

I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.

Maybe being in the business jaded you to the ads but if they didn't
work, ad agencies would not be able to sell them and it would not be
12-14 minutes of every hour on TV.

It is also why ads cost a couple billion dollars an election cycle
these days. Somebody must believe ads work.


In Detroit, I wrote ads and news release stuff for a reference book
publisher, Motown Records, financial PR, and then in DC, I wrote ads for
Porsche of America, Florists Marketing Council, a couple of unions,
trade associations and ads and PR for Ringling Brothers. No cigs, booze,
crappyburgers or sodapop. Even handled a couple of local car dealers and
a department store. Most of the ads were aimed at building traffic,
e.g., getting customers to the dealer's showroom. After that, it was up
to the salesman or saleswoman. Had a lot of fun doing Mercedes and Fiat
radio commercials for a local dealer. Back then the car dealers were
individually or family owned, much better than dealing with "the suits."


Did you believe your ads were going to coax someone into buying your
product who might not have if they didn't see the ad?
That was the point.


Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of
real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.

It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store
to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.

The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your
family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and
more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.

Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the
rest of the country can go **** themselves.

Hank©[_3_] August 3rd 13 01:00 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/2013 3:25 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/2/13 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:40:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 11:56 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 06:32:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

8 appalling ways America leads the world

You could blame most of this on lawyers and advertising


But I don't.


No shock there but you don't think the fact that the US has the
highest insurance rates for OB/GYN than any other country in the world
is a problem.
You don't think we eat so much sugar and fat because it is so
aggressively marketed and I doubt you put lifestyle very high on the
list of reasons why we look so unhealthy. Again that lifestyle is
aggressively marketed to us.



I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.


Is that wh6y you're a picture of health today?

Eisboch[_9_] August 3rd 13 01:17 AM

Ain't we great?
 


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


That was your point. Mine was that we didn't sell harmful crap such as
cigs, boozes, unhealthy food.

--------------------------------

You should run for mayor of NYC.

You're a regular Michael Bloomberg and Anthony Weiner rolled up in
one.



F.O.A.D. August 3rd 13 01:22 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/13 8:17 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


That was your point. Mine was that we didn't sell harmful crap such as
cigs, boozes, unhealthy food.

--------------------------------

You should run for mayor of NYC.

You're a regular Michael Bloomberg and Anthony Weiner rolled up in one.



Wasn't my choice. I was an ad/pr agency employee back then. The owner(s)
decided what sorts of business they wanted or didn't want. In the ad
biz, hard to think of a sleazier consumer product to sell than cigarettes.

Wayne.B August 3rd 13 01:52 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:17:30 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
om...


That was your point. Mine was that we didn't sell harmful crap such as
cigs, boozes, unhealthy food.

--------------------------------

You should run for mayor of NYC.

You're a regular Michael Bloomberg and Anthony Weiner rolled up in
one.


===

He's a weiner all right.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 3rd 13 04:13 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/2013 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of
real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.

It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store
to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.

The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your
family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and
more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.

Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the
rest of the country can go **** themselves.


It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.

For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)
a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still
have $10 left over.
I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.

People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.


Exactly, but they have special "vegetable vouchers" coming out now above
and beyond the traditional food stamps. It's really just another way to
move cash, but we won't tell anyone:)

F.O.A.D. August 3rd 13 12:12 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/2/13 10:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:50:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 7:17 PM,
wrote:


Did you believe your ads were going to coax someone into buying your
product who might not have if they didn't see the ad?
That was the point.


That was your point. Mine was that we didn't sell harmful crap such as
cigs, boozes, unhealthy food.


Nobody said you personally. Perhaps you didn't sell those products
because you had a moral problem or maybe they just never made you the
right offer.
It still does not change my original statement that advertising and
lawyers are not doing us any good. They simply raise the price of
everything.


For common items, advertising increases the volume sold and in the good
old days, that meant lower prices. These are the days of the perpetual
corporate rip-off, so who really knows.

The several agencies I worked for had some standards against what the
owners believed were harmful products, although one of them was
interested in representing a winery.

I still remember the "research" I did for a car dealer who didn't want
to pay for research on which local radio stations to include in the ad
buys. I got him to have his service writers turn on the car radios of
customers bringing their cars in and note the stations to which the
devices were tuned. That was a fun account, a successful dealership that
had two locations and handled Mercedes and...gulp...FIAT.

iBoaterer[_3_] August 3rd 13 12:41 PM

Ain't we great?
 
In article ,
says...

On 8/2/13 7:17 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:20:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 5:08 PM,
wrote:

I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.

Maybe being in the business jaded you to the ads but if they didn't
work, ad agencies would not be able to sell them and it would not be
12-14 minutes of every hour on TV.

It is also why ads cost a couple billion dollars an election cycle
these days. Somebody must believe ads work.


In Detroit, I wrote ads and news release stuff for a reference book
publisher, Motown Records, financial PR, and then in DC, I wrote ads for
Porsche of America, Florists Marketing Council, a couple of unions,
trade associations and ads and PR for Ringling Brothers. No cigs, booze,
crappyburgers or sodapop. Even handled a couple of local car dealers and
a department store. Most of the ads were aimed at building traffic,
e.g., getting customers to the dealer's showroom. After that, it was up
to the salesman or saleswoman. Had a lot of fun doing Mercedes and Fiat
radio commercials for a local dealer. Back then the car dealers were
individually or family owned, much better than dealing with "the suits."


Did you believe your ads were going to coax someone into buying your
product who might not have if they didn't see the ad?
That was the point.


That was your point. Mine was that we didn't sell harmful crap such as
cigs, boozes, unhealthy food.


Cars can be quite harmful.... Circuses routinely abuse animals.

iBoaterer[_3_] August 3rd 13 12:42 PM

Ain't we great?
 
In article ,
says...

On 8/2/2013 10:11 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of
real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.

It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store
to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.

The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your
family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and
more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.

Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the
rest of the country can go **** themselves.


It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.

For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)
a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still
have $10 left over.
I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.

People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.


Exactly, but they have special "vegetable vouchers" coming out now above
and beyond the traditional food stamps. It's really just another way to
move cash, but we won't tell anyone:)


Please show us how it's "just another way to move cash" to get people to
eat healthier. On the contrary, it's less costly to American taxpayers
if the population is healthy.

John H[_2_] August 3rd 13 02:04 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:17:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:20:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 5:08 PM,
wrote:

I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.

Maybe being in the business jaded you to the ads but if they didn't
work, ad agencies would not be able to sell them and it would not be
12-14 minutes of every hour on TV.

It is also why ads cost a couple billion dollars an election cycle
these days. Somebody must believe ads work.


In Detroit, I wrote ads and news release stuff for a reference book
publisher, Motown Records, financial PR, and then in DC, I wrote ads for
Porsche of America, Florists Marketing Council, a couple of unions,
trade associations and ads and PR for Ringling Brothers. No cigs, booze,
crappyburgers or sodapop. Even handled a couple of local car dealers and
a department store. Most of the ads were aimed at building traffic,
e.g., getting customers to the dealer's showroom. After that, it was up
to the salesman or saleswoman. Had a lot of fun doing Mercedes and Fiat
radio commercials for a local dealer. Back then the car dealers were
individually or family owned, much better than dealing with "the suits."


Did you believe your ads were going to coax someone into buying your
product who might not have if they didn't see the ad?
That was the point.


Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of
real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.

It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store
to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.

The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your
family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and
more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.

Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the
rest of the country can go **** themselves.


Bull****. We went to the Great American Buffet last night. The place was packed and it seemed as
though most of the folks there were obese - some extremely so. When I looked at their plates, I
didn't see fish, vegetables, salad, or other low calorie foods. What I saw was heaps of mashed
potatoes, mac and cheese, fried chicken, and fried breading with a miniature shrimp therein. Their
choices of food had nothing to do with income. We all paid the same $10 (seniors) or $12 a head.

You liberals continue to blame obesity on the conservatives - who rip off the obese folks and make
them eat Big Macs and mashed potatoes.

More bull**** on bull****.

And, the additional cost of corn, due to the ethanol demand of rich liberals, is raising *all* food
prices - even mashed 'taters and fried chicken!

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Hank©[_3_] August 3rd 13 04:31 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/3/2013 7:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/2/13 10:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:50:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 7:17 PM,
wrote:


Did you believe your ads were going to coax someone into buying your
product who might not have if they didn't see the ad?
That was the point.


That was your point. Mine was that we didn't sell harmful crap such as
cigs, boozes, unhealthy food.


Nobody said you personally. Perhaps you didn't sell those products
because you had a moral problem or maybe they just never made you the
right offer.
It still does not change my original statement that advertising and
lawyers are not doing us any good. They simply raise the price of
everything.


For common items, advertising increases the volume sold and in the good
old days, that meant lower prices. These are the days of the perpetual
corporate rip-off, so who really knows.

The several agencies I worked for had some standards against what the
owners believed were harmful products, although one of them was
interested in representing a winery.

I still remember the "research" I did for a car dealer who didn't want
to pay for research on which local radio stations to include in the ad
buys. I got him to have his service writers turn on the car radios of
customers bringing their cars in and note the stations to which the
devices were tuned. That was a fun account, a successful dealership that
had two locations and handled Mercedes and...gulp...FIAT.


He certainly got what he paid for.

Tim August 3rd 13 05:12 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of


real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.




It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store


to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.




The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your


family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and


more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.




Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the


rest of the country can go **** themselves.




It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.


I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
..


Hank©[_3_] August 3rd 13 05:51 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/3/2013 12:12 PM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of


real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.




It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store


to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.




The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your


family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and


more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.




Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the


rest of the country can go **** themselves.




It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.


I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
..


Generally speaking, that's the sort of food lazy people, with too much
free time, consume.

John H[_2_] August 3rd 13 06:03 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of


real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.




It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store


to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.




The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your


family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and


more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.




Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the


rest of the country can go **** themselves.




It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.


I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.


I'm astonished at the **** I see in carts at the grocery store - and to see it paid for with food
stamps. Unreal.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] August 3rd 13 06:11 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:43:43 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.


I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.


My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.

Maybe a little more high school would help. Dropping out at age 15 isn't good.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

BAR[_2_] August 3rd 13 06:48 PM

Ain't we great?
 
In article , says...

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:17:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:20:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/2/13 5:08 PM,
wrote:

I dunno. I remember when cigarettes were being aggressively marketed on
TV. I wasn't convinced I needed to smoke them. Same with booze. Or meals
from McDonalds. Or sugary soda pop.

Maybe being in the business jaded you to the ads but if they didn't
work, ad agencies would not be able to sell them and it would not be
12-14 minutes of every hour on TV.

It is also why ads cost a couple billion dollars an election cycle
these days. Somebody must believe ads work.


In Detroit, I wrote ads and news release stuff for a reference book
publisher, Motown Records, financial PR, and then in DC, I wrote ads for
Porsche of America, Florists Marketing Council, a couple of unions,
trade associations and ads and PR for Ringling Brothers. No cigs, booze,
crappyburgers or sodapop. Even handled a couple of local car dealers and
a department store. Most of the ads were aimed at building traffic,
e.g., getting customers to the dealer's showroom. After that, it was up
to the salesman or saleswoman. Had a lot of fun doing Mercedes and Fiat
radio commercials for a local dealer. Back then the car dealers were
individually or family owned, much better than dealing with "the suits."


Did you believe your ads were going to coax someone into buying your
product who might not have if they didn't see the ad?
That was the point.


Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of
real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.


Most of the problem with obesity is due to lazy people. It takes effort to eat right but, it
is easy to just stop by McDonalds and get a couple of Big Macs.

It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store
to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.


Take your family of four to McDonalds for three meals a day and record how much you spend ono
food. You will find out quickly that you are spending more money at the McDonalds than you
would by going to the grocery store.


The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your
family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and
more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.


This has been true throughout the ages. It is not going to change by closing down McDonalds.

Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the
rest of the country can go **** themselves.


Shouldn't you be saying welcome back to the dark ages?

BAR[_2_] August 3rd 13 06:49 PM

Ain't we great?
 
In article , says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.


I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.


My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.


They spend too much time on how to put on a condom and have safe sex rather than teaching the
kids about eating right.

John H[_2_] August 3rd 13 07:38 PM

Ain't we great?
 
HussyfanOn Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.

I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.


My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.


They spend too much time on how to put on a condom and have safe sex rather than teaching the
kids about eating right.


In DC, about 80% of child births are to unwed mothers. The safe sex idea must not get much play. Or,
the kids are dropping out of school earlier than the instruction is presented.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Eisboch[_9_] August 3rd 13 08:39 PM

Ain't we great?
 


wrote in message
...


Yeah, what ever happened to "Home Ec"? I guess it was too sexist ...
like "shop".

----------------------------

Home Ec was dropped in favor of sex education years ago.

The powers to be decided that knowing how to cook wasn't really
important but knowing how to .... well, you get my drift.






Tim August 4th 13 03:09 AM

Ain't we great?
 
All it shows is that the person in front of you in line is a bad shopper.

No, Harry. like i said, no one 'forced' her to buy all that junk food and pass up healthier alternatives, however, it probably is more convenient for her to do so while spending government money that she receives for living on the dole. After all. her (and probably her kids) health wouldn't be an issue either, seeing she (and probably her family) are eligible for *free* (to them) government health care as well.

F.O.A.D. August 4th 13 03:13 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/3/13 10:09 PM, Tim wrote:
All it shows is that the person in front of you in line is a bad shopper.


No, Harry. like i said, no one 'forced' her to buy all that junk food and pass up healthier alternatives, however, it probably is more convenient for her to do so while spending government money that she receives for living on the dole. After all. her (and probably her kids) health wouldn't be an issue either, seeing she (and probably her family) are eligible for *free* (to them) government health care as well.


She is a bad shopper.

Tim August 4th 13 03:31 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:13:25 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/3/13 10:09 PM, Tim wrote:

All it shows is that the person in front of you in line is a bad shopper.




No, Harry. like i said, no one 'forced' her to buy all that junk food and pass up healthier alternatives, however, it probably is more convenient for her to do so while spending government money that she receives for living on the dole. After all. her (and probably her kids) health wouldn't be an issue either, seeing she (and probably her family) are eligible for *free* (to them) government health care as well.






She is a bad shopper.


OK, lets say you have the benefit of the doubt? and so who encourages the *bad shopping* habits? is it her 'bad' sweet tooth'? or maybe the 'bad' WIC card she uses to support her 'bad' shopping habits, because they 'll pay for junk as well as helthier foods- or maybe knowing that the government allows her to be a poor steward of the allotment she evidently is 'entitled' too?

I don't agree with the notion that being 'poor' or receiving gov't assistance forces people into an unhealthy lifestyle, especially when it comes down to nutrition.


Tim August 4th 13 03:32 AM

Ain't we great?
 
On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:13:25 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

She is a bad shopper.


That takes full advantage of a bad system?


John H[_2_] August 4th 13 01:21 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:32:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:13:25 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

She is a bad shopper.


That takes full advantage of a bad system?


Well said, except that it's because of high paid corporate CEOs that she is a bad shopper. If CEOs
were paid less, she'd be a much better shopper, and not be obese - along with her 8
born-out-of-wedlock kids.

I don't know why you can't understand the relationship between overpaid CEOs and 'bad shoppers'.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

iBoaterer[_3_] August 4th 13 02:14 PM

Ain't we great?
 
In article ,
says...

HussyfanOn Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


In article ,
says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.

I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.

My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.


They spend too much time on how to put on a condom and have safe sex rather than teaching the
kids about eating right.


In DC, about 80% of child births are to unwed mothers. The safe sex idea must not get much play. Or,
the kids are dropping out of school earlier than the instruction is presented.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Are you saying that two parent's must be "wed" to raise a child in a
decent manner? I know that you are too narrow minded to grasp this, but
in this day and age your statistic doesn't show a damned thing about how
the children of that 80% are raised.

iBoaterer[_3_] August 4th 13 02:16 PM

Ain't we great?
 
In article ,
says...

wrote in message
...


Yeah, what ever happened to "Home Ec"? I guess it was too sexist ...
like "shop".

----------------------------

Home Ec was dropped in favor of sex education years ago.

The powers to be decided that knowing how to cook wasn't really
important but knowing how to .... well, you get my drift.


I've never seen one bit of evidence that Home Economics was dropped in
favor of Sex Education.

iBoaterer[_3_] August 4th 13 02:17 PM

Ain't we great?
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:32:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:13:25 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

She is a bad shopper.


That takes full advantage of a bad system?


Well said, except that it's because of high paid corporate CEOs that she is a bad shopper. If CEOs
were paid less, she'd be a much better shopper, and not be obese - along with her 8
born-out-of-wedlock kids.

I don't know why you can't understand the relationship between overpaid CEOs and 'bad shoppers'.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Damn you're stupid.

F.O.A.D. August 4th 13 02:26 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/4/13 9:14 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

HussyfanOn Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


In article ,
says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.

I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.

My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.

They spend too much time on how to put on a condom and have safe sex rather than teaching the
kids about eating right.


In DC, about 80% of child births are to unwed mothers. The safe sex idea must not get much play. Or,
the kids are dropping out of school earlier than the instruction is presented.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Are you saying that two parent's must be "wed" to raise a child in a
decent manner? I know that you are too narrow minded to grasp this, but
in this day and age your statistic doesn't show a damned thing about how
the children of that 80% are raised.



It should be obvious to you that Herring is a racist and his
never-ending references to cities where black people are in the majority
are just another way for him to express his racist feelings without
actually coming out and saying "I'm a racist." It's code language,
something he and his fellow GOP dirtbags use frequently.

John H[_2_] August 4th 13 03:19 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:14:58 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

HussyfanOn Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


In article , says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.

I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.

My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.

They spend too much time on how to put on a condom and have safe sex rather than teaching the
kids about eating right.


In DC, about 80% of child births are to unwed mothers. The safe sex idea must not get much play. Or,
the kids are dropping out of school earlier than the instruction is presented.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Are you saying that two parent's must be "wed" to raise a child in a
decent manner? I know that you are too narrow minded to grasp this, but
in this day and age your statistic doesn't show a damned thing about how
the children of that 80% are raised.


I said, "In DC, about 80% of child births are to unwed mothers. The safe sex idea must not get much
play. Or, the kids are dropping out of school earlier than the instruction is presented."

Now, what part of that was unreadable?

As to how the kids are raised, check out the high school graduation rate of rising 8th graders in
DC. That should provide an indication. Oh, and who said anything about 'two parents'. Most often,
the father is nowhere to be found.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] August 4th 13 03:22 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 09:26:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/4/13 9:14 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

HussyfanOn Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.

I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.

My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.

They spend too much time on how to put on a condom and have safe sex rather than teaching the
kids about eating right.

In DC, about 80% of child births are to unwed mothers. The safe sex idea must not get much play. Or,
the kids are dropping out of school earlier than the instruction is presented.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Are you saying that two parent's must be "wed" to raise a child in a
decent manner? I know that you are too narrow minded to grasp this, but
in this day and age your statistic doesn't show a damned thing about how
the children of that 80% are raised.



It should be obvious to you that Herring is a racist and his
never-ending references to cities where black people are in the majority
are just another way for him to express his racist feelings without
actually coming out and saying "I'm a racist." It's code language,
something he and his fellow GOP dirtbags use frequently.


If the truth makes me a racist, then yes, I'm a racist. But the facts remain what they are.

Actually, I'm a Bill Cosby kind of racist, if you know what I mean.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 4th 13 03:42 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/4/2013 10:34 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:16:09 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

wrote in message
...


Yeah, what ever happened to "Home Ec"? I guess it was too sexist ...
like "shop".

----------------------------

Home Ec was dropped in favor of sex education years ago.

The powers to be decided that knowing how to cook wasn't really
important but knowing how to .... well, you get my drift.


I've never seen one bit of evidence that Home Economics was dropped in
favor of Sex Education.


I agree. Home Ec was dropped because it was seen as sexist and shop
was dropped because it implied that everyone was not going to go to
college.
Now we have home makers who do not have a clue how to prepare
nutritious meals and think they need a licensed union electrician to
put a plug on a lamp but not a clue how they could become that person.

Watching a report now on Doctors prescribing a "specific diet" to those
who "don't know how to eat healthy"... Another way of handing uninformed
voters, money....

Hank©[_3_] August 4th 13 04:11 PM

Ain't we great?
 
On 8/4/2013 10:22 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 09:26:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/4/13 9:14 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

HussyfanOn Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:11:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:54:17 -0700, jps wrote:



Most of the problem with obesity has to do with income and the cost of

real food and the rampant availability of fast food in cities.



It's cheap to stuff your face with fast food crap. Going to a store

to buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is freakin' expensive.



The lower our income, the worse our diet. You can't even feed your

family crap on minimum wage, which is becoming the case for more and

more Americans. Average age of fast food workers at McDonalds is 29.



Welcome to the new America, where money is held by the rich and the

rest of the country can go **** themselves.



It is obvious you don't eat a lot of fast food.



For the price of McDonalds for 4 ($20), I can buy a whole chicken ($6)

a few potatoes ($2) and a package of fresh broccoli ($2) and still

have $10 left over.

I won't even try to explain how much rice and beans that will buy.



People go to fast food joints because they are lazy.

I was behind a gal in the groce3ry check-out and she had a cart load of chips, soda, candy,various other snacks, a gallon of milk and some sugar laced cereal, but nothing else substantial.

The bill was about 60+ bucks. She paid for it with a WIC card....

This shows that low-income doesn't 'force' people to eat unhealthy stuff....
.

My sister raised 5 kids without a whole lot of money.
They ate well
The difference was she understood you pay for convenience and usually
convenient food is not healthy food.

I think a big part of the problem is people do not understand basic
nutrition and what foods will fill those needs. I learned from my
sister if you don't have a lot of money, the grocery store is a better
resource than eating out and if you know what to buy, you can get a
lot of food for not that much money.

Unfortunately you still have to cook it. Mc Donalds will just push it
out the window.

They spend too much time on how to put on a condom and have safe sex rather than teaching the
kids about eating right.

In DC, about 80% of child births are to unwed mothers. The safe sex idea must not get much play. Or,
the kids are dropping out of school earlier than the instruction is presented.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Are you saying that two parent's must be "wed" to raise a child in a
decent manner? I know that you are too narrow minded to grasp this, but
in this day and age your statistic doesn't show a damned thing about how
the children of that 80% are raised.



It should be obvious to you that Herring is a racist and his
never-ending references to cities where black people are in the majority
are just another way for him to express his racist feelings without
actually coming out and saying "I'm a racist." It's code language,
something he and his fellow GOP dirtbags use frequently.


If the truth makes me a racist, then yes, I'm a racist. But the facts remain what they are.

Actually, I'm a Bill Cosby kind of racist, if you know what I mean.

John (Gun Nut) H.

John, you are no more racist than Harry or I. However Harry uses the
tern racist to give him traction to backpedal out of a sticky situation
where he is otherwise lost for words. But then you knew that.




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