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F.O.A.D. July 30th 13 07:58 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/13 2:56 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 04:11:25 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:21:20 AM UTC-4, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:





Don't cry donnie...




I still think it's hilariously funny that the dumbass just cant back his Boat in his Driveway.


That little girlie friend of yours needs his jaw broken and re-set to escape his madness.
He has no money , so maybe you can go visit him with your balsa wood toothpick and save him a lot of money.



The two Scotties are brothers and suffer from the same organic brain
disorder.

True North[_2_] July 30th 13 08:00 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 15:12:22 UTC-3, John H wrote:


The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with

a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.

Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.



John (Gun Nut) H.



Looks like I have to straighten y'all out yet again..
I have never backed up over the curb. If someone was across the street , limiting maneuvering room, I'd just park the rig on the street until they left.
I have run over the curb a couple times 'exiting' my driveway due to tight conditions.

iBoaterer[_3_] July 30th 13 08:32 PM

Sunday cruise
 
In article ,
says...

On 7/30/13 2:56 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 04:11:25 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:21:20 AM UTC-4, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:





Don't cry donnie...



I still think it's hilariously funny that the dumbass just cant back his Boat in his Driveway.


That little girlie friend of yours needs his jaw broken and re-set to escape his madness.
He has no money , so maybe you can go visit him with your balsa wood toothpick and save him a lot of money.



The two Scotties are brothers and suffer from the same organic brain
disorder.


Slammer had his jawbone broken too? After all, that's what Scotty blamed
his insanity on when Eisboch questioned him!

John H[_2_] July 30th 13 09:40 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 15:12:22 UTC-3, John H wrote:


The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with

a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.

Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.



John (Gun Nut) H.



Looks like I have to straighten y'all out yet again..
I have never backed up over the curb. If someone was across the street , limiting maneuvering room, I'd just park the rig on the street until they left.
I have run over the curb a couple times 'exiting' my driveway due to tight conditions.


There's nothing wrong with backing over the curb if you use a 'ramp' and go slowly. If that helps
get your boat in the driveway, it's what you should be doing.

Us'ns don't need no straightenin'. We don't have the backing problem.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

F.O.A.D. July 30th 13 10:02 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/13 3:32 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 7/30/13 2:56 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 04:11:25 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:21:20 AM UTC-4, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:





Don't cry donnie...



I still think it's hilariously funny that the dumbass just cant back his Boat in his Driveway.

That little girlie friend of yours needs his jaw broken and re-set to escape his madness.
He has no money , so maybe you can go visit him with your balsa wood toothpick and save him a lot of money.



The two Scotties are brothers and suffer from the same organic brain
disorder.


Slammer had his jawbone broken too? After all, that's what Scotty blamed
his insanity on when Eisboch questioned him!


We'll probably never know who broke PsychoSnotty's jaw.



JustWaitAFrekinMinute July 30th 13 10:04 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.


The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...

Wayne.B July 30th 13 10:28 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Looks like I have to straighten y'all out yet again..
I have never backed up over the curb. If someone was across the street , limiting maneuvering room, I'd just park the rig on the street until they left.
I have run over the curb a couple times 'exiting' my driveway due to tight conditions.


===

The (well intentioned) suggestion was that you might consider backing
over the curb as a strategy for dealing with street congestion, hence
the further suggestion that you ease your way over the curb using a
couple of planks as a ramp of sorts. On the other hand if you're
comfortable with leaving the boat parked on the street until more
space becomes available, none of that is necessary. Some of us were
a bit concerned about your self described maneuvering by hand which
could be potentially dangerous if it gets away from you or strains
your back.

John H[_2_] July 30th 13 10:40 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:04:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.


The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...


That's why there's a ball on his hitch. As long as he doesn't 'hit' the curb, and uses a ramp of
some kind, he won't have a problem.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

JustWaitAFrekinMinute July 30th 13 11:18 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/2013 5:40 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:04:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.

The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...


That's why there's a ball on his hitch. As long as he doesn't 'hit' the curb, and uses a ramp of
some kind, he won't have a problem.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Ok... so you have never had to do it... I get it. But trust me, it's not
a smooth line once the trailer and tow rig get too far off relative
planes...

Hank©[_3_] July 30th 13 11:19 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/2013 3:00 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 15:12:22 UTC-3, John H wrote:


The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with

a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.

Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.



John (Gun Nut) H.



Looks like I have to straighten y'all out yet again..
I have never backed up over the curb. If someone was across the street , limiting maneuvering room, I'd just park the rig on the street until they left.
I have run over the curb a couple times 'exiting' my driveway due to tight conditions.


Imagine the problems you'd have if you had a full sized boat. You really
should consider a storage yard.

Wayne.B July 31st 13 12:55 AM

Sunday cruise
 
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:18:43 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Ok... so you have never had to do it... I get it. But trust me, it's not
a smooth line once the trailer and tow rig get too far off relative
planes...


===

Mathematically speaking, the down slope would have the effect of
increasing the turn radius so you're right about there being a
transition.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute July 31st 13 01:06 AM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/2013 7:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:18:43 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Ok... so you have never had to do it... I get it. But trust me, it's not
a smooth line once the trailer and tow rig get too far off relative
planes...


===

Mathematically speaking, the down slope would have the effect of
increasing the turn radius so you're right about there being a
transition.

Exactly, and in the case of the asshole from NS, the up slope transition
smack dab in the middle of the radius, has the same effect....... No
matter how big your rig is, it's one of those things if you don't "see"
it in your head, you won't know until you try it once.. and dent the
tailgate of your new truck:)

Califbill July 31st 13 04:20 AM

Sunday cruise
 
Hank© wrote:
On 7/29/2013 10:11 AM, True North wrote:
On Monday, 29 July 2013 10:33:13 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Wife and I are able to unhook the 2000# rig on the street and with a
bit of a run are able to push it up from the gutter to the sidewalk
and then down the driveway.



===



Glad to hear you had a nice cruise but the trailer procedure sounds a

bit dicey.



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your

vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have

room to back it in.



I can..and do on occasion.
I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course
depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.
It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.

You need to widen your driveway at least 2 feet.


Actually 10' is plenty. I have to back my boat and trailer in to a 10'
wide costco storage tent. Truck is a crew cab short bed, and the boat and
trailer are about 25' long. Is an about 20' wide drive between the storage
rows. With a turn in to the structure. Practice in a big parking lot with
cones to mark out the path. Or install a front hitch on the highlander.

Califbill July 31st 13 04:20 AM

Sunday cruise
 
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/29/13 9:33 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Wife and I are able to unhook the 2000# rig on the street and with a
bit of a run are able to push it up from the gutter to the sidewalk and
then down the driveway.


===

Glad to hear you had a nice cruise but the trailer procedure sounds a
bit dicey.

Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your
vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have
room to back it in.


It's a lot easier to pull a boat on a trailer straight out of a tight
parking space than it is to back that boat on a trailer back into a tight
parking space. I'm not familiar with the width or conditions of Don's
driveway and neither are you, and there may be circumstances that make it
more difficult than you surmise.

Perhaps on one of your next cruises to places you've been a million
times, you can expand that voyage up to Nova Scotia, have Don meet you at
a local marina, and then show him how perfectly you can back up his rig in his driveway.

Make sure someone videotapes it.


There are people who can back trailers and then there those who are
probably bad drivers also.

iBoaterer[_3_] July 31st 13 01:01 PM

Sunday cruise
 
In article ,
says...

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.


The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...


Oh, HORSE****!!!! "Different planes".... Are you trying to say that the
tow vehicle and the trailer being towed are on the SAME plane usually??
And are you really trying to say that being on different planes will
cause damage to one or the other?? Please, tell us more! Give examples,
show us the physics behind this phenomena....

Hank©[_3_] July 31st 13 01:03 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/2013 11:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Hank© wrote:
On 7/29/2013 10:11 AM, True North wrote:
On Monday, 29 July 2013 10:33:13 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Wife and I are able to unhook the 2000# rig on the street and with a
bit of a run are able to push it up from the gutter to the sidewalk
and then down the driveway.



===



Glad to hear you had a nice cruise but the trailer procedure sounds a

bit dicey.



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your

vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have

room to back it in.


I can..and do on occasion.
I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course
depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.
It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.

You need to widen your driveway at least 2 feet.


Actually 10' is plenty.


Not according to Donnie.


John H[_2_] July 31st 13 06:05 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:01:18 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.

The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...


Oh, HORSE****!!!! "Different planes".... Are you trying to say that the
tow vehicle and the trailer being towed are on the SAME plane usually??
And are you really trying to say that being on different planes will
cause damage to one or the other?? Please, tell us more! Give examples,
show us the physics behind this phenomena....


Go back and read the post of mine from which you got your wrong ideas. That'll straighten it out.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

iBoaterer[_3_] July 31st 13 06:35 PM

Sunday cruise
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:01:18 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,

says...

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.

The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...


Oh, HORSE****!!!! "Different planes".... Are you trying to say that the
tow vehicle and the trailer being towed are on the SAME plane usually??
And are you really trying to say that being on different planes will
cause damage to one or the other?? Please, tell us more! Give examples,
show us the physics behind this phenomena....


Go back and read the post of mine from which you got your wrong ideas. That'll straighten it out.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Just what "wrong ideas" do I have about Scotty's stupid post about
"different planes"?

F.O.A.D. July 31st 13 09:44 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/30/13 6:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/30/2013 5:40 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:04:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway
with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should
have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and
of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite
my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet
narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo
poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up
at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the
corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to
get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to
jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would
have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A
huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make
that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and
get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.

The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would
never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer
tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go
'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...


That's why there's a ball on his hitch. As long as he doesn't 'hit'
the curb, and uses a ramp of
some kind, he won't have a problem.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Ok... so you have never had to do it... I get it. But trust me, it's not
a smooth line once the trailer and tow rig get too far off relative
planes...



Herring's got a double wide concrete driveway with nothing to bang into
on either side, so backing up a trailer is a no brainer, which is
fortunate for Herring, since he is a no-brainer.

Here's Herring's driveway. No, I didn't take the photo...google maps did:

http://tinyurl.com/kwfjm7l

The big truck shows there is plenty of room there.

True North[_2_] July 31st 13 09:59 PM

Sunday cruise
 
What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18 wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.

F.O.A.D. July 31st 13 10:01 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/31/13 4:59 PM, True North wrote:
What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18 wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.



I wondered about that mailbox myself. Perhaps the Herrings don't get
mail. :)

I'm familiar with that area, generally. They are subdivision streets,
and quite roomy. Obviously, though, it doesn't take much effort to back
a trailer up into that driveway.

John H[_2_] August 1st 13 01:08 AM

Sunday cruise
 
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:44:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/30/13 6:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/30/2013 5:40 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:04:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway
with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should
have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and
of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite
my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet
narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo
poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up
at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the
corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to
get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to
jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would
have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A
huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make
that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and
get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.

The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would
never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer
tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go
'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...

That's why there's a ball on his hitch. As long as he doesn't 'hit'
the curb, and uses a ramp of
some kind, he won't have a problem.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Ok... so you have never had to do it... I get it. But trust me, it's not
a smooth line once the trailer and tow rig get too far off relative
planes...



Herring's got a double wide concrete driveway with nothing to bang into
on either side, so backing up a trailer is a no brainer, which is
fortunate for Herring, since he is a no-brainer.

Here's Herring's driveway. No, I didn't take the photo...google maps did:

http://tinyurl.com/kwfjm7l

The big truck shows there is plenty of room there.


Notice that the entrance is only 'single wide'. The width increases as one gets closer to the house.
That shouldn't have been hard to spot. The problem is getting the trailer onto the driveway without
taking out the mail box (and the big bush). To do that I back in from the far side, and put a 'ramp'
at the curb so I can climb it without hassle. Then I can put the trailer where I want.


John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] August 1st 13 01:09 AM

Sunday cruise
 
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:59:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18 wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.


Again, check the width at the entrance - not the width at the garage.

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -
from several folks here.

You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] August 1st 13 01:11 AM

Sunday cruise
 
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:01:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/31/13 4:59 PM, True North wrote:
What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18 wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.



I wondered about that mailbox myself. Perhaps the Herrings don't get
mail. :)

I'm familiar with that area, generally. They are subdivision streets,
and quite roomy. Obviously, though, it doesn't take much effort to back
a trailer up into that driveway.


The street is a normal subdivision street. I don't need the whole street to back the trailer in.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Califbill August 1st 13 03:24 AM

Sunday cruise
 
John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:01:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/31/13 4:59 PM, True North wrote:
What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18
wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.



I wondered about that mailbox myself. Perhaps the Herrings don't get
mail. :)

I'm familiar with that area, generally. They are subdivision streets,
and quite roomy. Obviously, though, it doesn't take much effort to back
a trailer up into that driveway.


The street is a normal subdivision street. I don't need the whole street
to back the trailer in.

John (Gun Nut) H.


This what I have to contend with. My slot is at an angle so apparent
street width is bigger.
http://www.alamedacountyfair.com/rvStorage/storage.php

True North[_2_] August 1st 13 04:20 AM

Sunday cruise
 
On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -

from several folks here.



You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--



Hope you're having a great day!


Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.

That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.
I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered them in a constructive manner.

Hank©[_3_] August 1st 13 10:13 AM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/31/2013 11:20 PM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -

from several folks here.



You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--



Hope you're having a great day!


Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.

That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.
I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered them in a constructive manner.

Given your propensity to add your attaboys to almost every sarcastic
remark your kemosabe issues, you should expect no less. If you were
smart, you'd find a more accommodating and safer place to keep that
behemoth.

True North[_2_] August 1st 13 12:09 PM

Sunday cruise
 
Thank you, StinkyOne, for highlighting my point to Johnny.
We can always count on you to be helpful. SNERK!

John H[_2_] August 1st 13 12:32 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:20:45 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -

from several folks here.



You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--



Hope you're having a great day!


Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.

That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.
I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered them in a constructive manner.


Suggestions were made in good faith. You proceeded to trash the suggestors in the same or other
threads. What the hell would you expect? You might try getting your nose out of Harry's butt for a
change.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] August 1st 13 12:36 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:24:42 -0500, Califbill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:01:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/31/13 4:59 PM, True North wrote:
What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18
wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.



I wondered about that mailbox myself. Perhaps the Herrings don't get
mail. :)

I'm familiar with that area, generally. They are subdivision streets,
and quite roomy. Obviously, though, it doesn't take much effort to back
a trailer up into that driveway.


The street is a normal subdivision street. I don't need the whole street
to back the trailer in.

John (Gun Nut) H.


This what I have to contend with. My slot is at an angle so apparent
street width is bigger.
http://www.alamedacountyfair.com/rvStorage/storage.php


Where I store mine is very similar. For me, the trick is to stay close to the left side of the road
as I'm backing the trailer around clockwise - and go well past the entrance before starting to back
up. And, of course, patience.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

F.O.A.D. August 1st 13 12:39 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 8/1/13 7:09 AM, True North wrote:
Thank you, StinkyOne, for highlighting my point to Johnny.
We can always count on you to be helpful. SNERK!


There's plenty of good boating talk on the boating discussion boards.
Rec.Boats is just a right-wing sewer now, and most of the sewer dwellers
haven't had a boat for many, many years, if they ever had one.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 1st 13 01:04 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/31/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:01:18 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 7/30/2013 2:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:41:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 7/29/2013 3:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2013 14:37:58 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Why is it that you can't back the trailer into the driveway with your



vehicle? If you have space enough to pull it out, you should have



room to back it in.





I can..and do on occasion.

I just find it awkward.. hard to see where I'm backing to and of course depends on whether there are vehicles parked opposite my driveway.

It's a very narrow street and a very narrow driveway... 10 feet narrow.



===



You might find it helpful to put a few long stakes or bamboo poles in

a few strategic locations along the edge of the driveway so you can

see them in your mirrors.


I can always see one side in the mirrors... the vehicle ends up at such an angle to the trailer that the other side is a dead zone.
Ad to that.. as soon as I start, cars always come around the corner trying to get by. This adds to my feeling of needing to get the backing-up done quickly and efficiently.

Once you learn how to do it, it'll be pretty quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I beg to differ John.. With the opposing inclines, and the curb to jump,
that corner becomes probably 4-5 times harder in my opinion. The
technique could be mastered but every time you hit it you would have to
get a running start and slam your trailer tire over the curb. I would
guess with my limo and truck driving experience I can probably back as
good or better than anybody here and I would not want to do that trick
every time I brought my boat home. Right now I have the opposite. A huge
incline up to the edge of the road and when the trailer tires make that
change it really changes the radius of the turn and ****s up the flow.
To do that over a curb.. well anyway... I would spend the money and get
a motorized dolly.. I mean, you don't go without lifejackets, oars,
flares, motor, etc.. the tools you need to do your hobby.

The use of a couple 2x4s or 3x6s make a ramp for the curb. I would never try to 'hit' the curb with
a running start. I always put my 'ramp' in place and let the trailer tires climb it up to the curb.
Remember, my trailer weighs in over 5 tons, so I'm not going to go 'hitting' the curb.

John (Gun Nut) H.


All I am saying is opposing inclines at the radius of the turn, creates
a lot of problems putting the tow vehicle and load, on different
planes... Tends to buckle the rig...


Oh, HORSE****!!!! "Different planes".... Are you trying to say that the
tow vehicle and the trailer being towed are on the SAME plane usually??
And are you really trying to say that being on different planes will
cause damage to one or the other?? Please, tell us more! Give examples,
show us the physics behind this phenomena....


Go back and read the post of mine from which you got your wrong ideas. That'll straighten it out.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I guess kevin has never backed a rig over a crest of a hill or into a dip:)

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 1st 13 01:05 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/31/2013 8:09 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:59:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18 wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.


Again, check the width at the entrance - not the width at the garage.

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -
from several folks here.

You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.

John (Gun Nut) H.


He can't... he is just too stupid to get it.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 1st 13 01:07 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/31/2013 8:11 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:01:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/31/13 4:59 PM, True North wrote:
What the 'ell?
Can't tell how wide the street is but I could probably back an 18 wheeler up there.... although I might scrape the bush that hides his mailbox.



I wondered about that mailbox myself. Perhaps the Herrings don't get
mail. :)

I'm familiar with that area, generally. They are subdivision streets,
and quite roomy. Obviously, though, it doesn't take much effort to back
a trailer up into that driveway.


The street is a normal subdivision street. I don't need the whole street to back the trailer in.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Neither of them can back a trailer John... That's why they are crying
like this.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 1st 13 01:09 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/31/2013 11:20 PM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -

from several folks here.



You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--



Hope you're having a great day!


Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.

That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.
I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered them in a constructive manner.


Every ****ing fake boating post of yours has insults in it... So does
every question from you. You are a ****ing asshole, we are trying to be
nice but you are worse than krause......

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 1st 13 01:10 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 7/31/2013 11:20 PM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -

from several folks here.



You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--



Hope you're having a great day!


Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.

That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.
I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered them in a constructive manner.


Sounds like it's time for the rest of us to ignore you like krause..
Nothing worse than fake boat stories anyway...

F.O.A.D. August 1st 13 01:13 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 8/1/13 8:10 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/31/2013 11:20 PM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of
spite. They were offered as a help -

from several folks here.



You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable
for you.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--



Hope you're having a great day!


Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart
comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.

That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.
I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered
them in a constructive manner.


Sounds like it's time for the rest of us to ignore you like krause..
Nothing worse than fake boat stories anyway...


Speaking of fake, how's that racing season going for you so far this year?

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 1st 13 01:22 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 8/1/2013 7:09 AM, True North wrote:
Thank you, StinkyOne, for highlighting my point to Johnny.
We can always count on you to be helpful. SNERK!


What a piece of ****... crash your boat, hope the sow gets run over in
the driveway... punk.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 1st 13 01:23 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On 8/1/2013 7:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:20:45 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -

from several folks here.



You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--



Hope you're having a great day!


Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.

That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.
I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered them in a constructive manner.


Suggestions were made in good faith. You proceeded to trash the suggestors in the same or other
threads. What the hell would you expect? You might try getting your nose out of Harry's butt for a
change.

John (Gun Nut) H.


He's an ungrateful little bitch...

True North[_2_] August 1st 13 01:24 PM

Sunday cruise
 
On Thursday, 1 August 2013 08:32:44 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:20:45 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:



On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 21:09:58 UTC-3, John H wrote:




Donnie, the suggestions you've been given were not given out of spite. They were offered as a help -




from several folks here.








You might consider just saying 'thanks', but that may be too sociable for you.








John (Gun Nut) H.




--








Hope you're having a great day!




Trouble is..Johnny, at least four of those offering "help" added smart comments, ridiculed me.. or called me names.




That would be you, Snottie, Slammer and of course..Hank.


I do thank and appreciate comments and advise from those who offered them in a constructive manner.




Suggestions were made in good faith. You proceeded to trash the suggestors in the same or other

threads. What the hell would you expect? You might try getting your nose out of Harry's butt for a

change.



John (Gun Nut) H.

--


Please cite where I "proceeded to trash the suggestors".
You're getting as bad as the little bitch in South Windsor... who doesn't even own a boat..
wait a minute.. neither do you.


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