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On 7/29/13 7:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:34:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 5:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:50:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 12:41 PM, wrote: If a DIY guy buys all listed equipment, gets engineering for the panel installation, pulls permits and has everything inspected, he still will not get the 30% federal tax credit or the state rebate because he needs a licensed installer according to the law. Good. Yup, **** saving the planet, you just want to save the jobs of your union buddies. Certainly, and I also want to be more assured that neighborhoods aren't threatened by homebrew amateur electricians who think they know what they are doing and don't, and string together wires or connections in a manner that electrocutes people or starts fires. You, on the other hand, want to cut the pay of anyone who trained and worked hard to earn a living. What part of "Permitted and Inspected" are you missing? I could show you some of the shoddy work those "trained", "hard working" licensed electricians try to get by inspectors. Well, then, you are too familiar with shoddy contractors and perhaps shoddy inspectors. The guys who came out to inspect my generator installation (gas and electric) spent considerable time here looking over all the work of the gas and electric contractors, talking to them, and checking every fitting and connection, including the 100+ feet of copper plumbing from the tank to the generator, the vent away from the generator, and every bit of the old panels and new panel. My recollection is that the electrical inspector was here for at least an hour. The gas inspector came twice, once to examine the fittings and the plumbing in its ditch, and again at generator start up. I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/29/13 7:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:34:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 5:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:50:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 12:41 PM, wrote: If a DIY guy buys all listed equipment, gets engineering for the panel installation, pulls permits and has everything inspected, he still will not get the 30% federal tax credit or the state rebate because he needs a licensed installer according to the law. Good. Yup, **** saving the planet, you just want to save the jobs of your union buddies. Certainly, and I also want to be more assured that neighborhoods aren't threatened by homebrew amateur electricians who think they know what they are doing and don't, and string together wires or connections in a manner that electrocutes people or starts fires. You, on the other hand, want to cut the pay of anyone who trained and worked hard to earn a living. What part of "Permitted and Inspected" are you missing? I could show you some of the shoddy work those "trained", "hard working" licensed electricians try to get by inspectors. Well, then, you are too familiar with shoddy contractors and perhaps shoddy inspectors. The guys who came out to inspect my generator installation (gas and electric) spent considerable time here looking over all the work of the gas and electric contractors, talking to them, and checking every fitting and connection, including the 100+ feet of copper plumbing from the tank to the generator, the vent away from the generator, and every bit of the old panels and new panel. My recollection is that the electrical inspector was here for at least an hour. The gas inspector came twice, once to examine the fittings and the plumbing in its ditch, and again at generator start up. I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. |
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A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
In article 93368714396889728.895218bmckeenospam-
, says... "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 7:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:34:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 5:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:50:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 12:41 PM, wrote: If a DIY guy buys all listed equipment, gets engineering for the panel installation, pulls permits and has everything inspected, he still will not get the 30% federal tax credit or the state rebate because he needs a licensed installer according to the law. Good. Yup, **** saving the planet, you just want to save the jobs of your union buddies. Certainly, and I also want to be more assured that neighborhoods aren't threatened by homebrew amateur electricians who think they know what they are doing and don't, and string together wires or connections in a manner that electrocutes people or starts fires. You, on the other hand, want to cut the pay of anyone who trained and worked hard to earn a living. What part of "Permitted and Inspected" are you missing? I could show you some of the shoddy work those "trained", "hard working" licensed electricians try to get by inspectors. Well, then, you are too familiar with shoddy contractors and perhaps shoddy inspectors. The guys who came out to inspect my generator installation (gas and electric) spent considerable time here looking over all the work of the gas and electric contractors, talking to them, and checking every fitting and connection, including the 100+ feet of copper plumbing from the tank to the generator, the vent away from the generator, and every bit of the old panels and new panel. My recollection is that the electrical inspector was here for at least an hour. The gas inspector came twice, once to examine the fittings and the plumbing in its ditch, and again at generator start up. I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is bull****. I'd like to see specifically what shoddy workmanship he's talking about. Florida's building code is very comprehensive and quite stringent. |
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A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 93368714396889728.895218bmckeenospam- , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 7:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:34:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 5:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:50:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 12:41 PM, wrote: If a DIY guy buys all listed equipment, gets engineering for the panel installation, pulls permits and has everything inspected, he still will not get the 30% federal tax credit or the state rebate because he needs a licensed installer according to the law. Good. Yup, **** saving the planet, you just want to save the jobs of your union buddies. Certainly, and I also want to be more assured that neighborhoods aren't threatened by homebrew amateur electricians who think they know what they are doing and don't, and string together wires or connections in a manner that electrocutes people or starts fires. You, on the other hand, want to cut the pay of anyone who trained and worked hard to earn a living. What part of "Permitted and Inspected" are you missing? I could show you some of the shoddy work those "trained", "hard working" licensed electricians try to get by inspectors. Well, then, you are too familiar with shoddy contractors and perhaps shoddy inspectors. The guys who came out to inspect my generator installation (gas and electric) spent considerable time here looking over all the work of the gas and electric contractors, talking to them, and checking every fitting and connection, including the 100+ feet of copper plumbing from the tank to the generator, the vent away from the generator, and every bit of the old panels and new panel. My recollection is that the electrical inspector was here for at least an hour. The gas inspector came twice, once to examine the fittings and the plumbing in its ditch, and again at generator start up. I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is bull****. I'd like to see specifically what shoddy workmanship he's talking about. Florida's building code is very comprehensive and quite stringent. My son in law makes sure they follow the building codes. And the codes he enforces are a lot tougher than Florida's. they are for building hospitals. |
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On 7/30/13 11:12 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 7:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:34:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 5:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:50:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/29/13 12:41 PM, wrote: If a DIY guy buys all listed equipment, gets engineering for the panel installation, pulls permits and has everything inspected, he still will not get the 30% federal tax credit or the state rebate because he needs a licensed installer according to the law. Good. Yup, **** saving the planet, you just want to save the jobs of your union buddies. Certainly, and I also want to be more assured that neighborhoods aren't threatened by homebrew amateur electricians who think they know what they are doing and don't, and string together wires or connections in a manner that electrocutes people or starts fires. You, on the other hand, want to cut the pay of anyone who trained and worked hard to earn a living. What part of "Permitted and Inspected" are you missing? I could show you some of the shoddy work those "trained", "hard working" licensed electricians try to get by inspectors. Well, then, you are too familiar with shoddy contractors and perhaps shoddy inspectors. The guys who came out to inspect my generator installation (gas and electric) spent considerable time here looking over all the work of the gas and electric contractors, talking to them, and checking every fitting and connection, including the 100+ feet of copper plumbing from the tank to the generator, the vent away from the generator, and every bit of the old panels and new panel. My recollection is that the electrical inspector was here for at least an hour. The gas inspector came twice, once to examine the fittings and the plumbing in its ditch, and again at generator start up. I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. So your son in law will have a nice job. |
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A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
In article ,
says... On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0500, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is interesting that Harry brought this up. Maryland does not have a uniform electrical code, any municipality can pretty much approve or exempt anything they want (the AHJ is king of his patch) and there is no state licensing of inspectors. Some places might have basic requirements and across the street, the inspector might just be the mayor's out of work brother in law (like it was in Florida 25 years ago). Contractor licensing looks pretty rudimentary too. (a 4 hour test and pay the fees) I did not see any continuing education requirements. My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? That in no way means that the inspectors adhere to said code. |
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A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0500, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is interesting that Harry brought this up. Maryland does not have a uniform electrical code, any municipality can pretty much approve or exempt anything they want (the AHJ is king of his patch) and there is no state licensing of inspectors. Some places might have basic requirements and across the street, the inspector might just be the mayor's out of work brother in law (like it was in Florida 25 years ago). Contractor licensing looks pretty rudimentary too. (a 4 hour test and pay the fees) I did not see any continuing education requirements. My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? That in no way means that the inspectors adhere to said code. -------------------------------- I haven't read the NEC book for several years but I think it used to have a statement in the preface to the effect of, "local codes and/or ordinances supersede these requirements" or something like that. |
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