On Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:10:17 AM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/28/13 10:39 AM, wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:52:53 AM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:54:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:







On 7/27/13 6:26 PM, wrote:







Of course electricians and licensed solar contractors will do



everything they can to stop DIY installers.



The government is on their side, denying any rebates to an unlicensed



installs.







Good. Licensed electricians and contractors are the ones who should be



doing the work. I thought you only had a hard-on against college



educated individuals, but I see you have no use for those who spend



years learning a trade and being responsible for their work.







Careful now, you are in over your depth again.







They do sell O/L listed, plug and play solar collectors



(Westinghouse/Akeena is one)



These come with a NEMA 5-15 plug, you just mount the collector on any



surface that faces the sun and plug it in to a handy receptacle.







Why would you need an electrician or solar contractor for that?





At trade shows we have to hire the union guys to PLUG IN THE BOOTH LIGHTS AND EQUIPMENT. It's against union rules for us (electronic engineers) to plug in AC power cords ourselves.



This kind of BS is exactly why Detroit is bankrupt, and there is no manufacturing in the US anymore.



Oh, right. It has nothing to do with American manufacturers wanting to
pay $2.00 a day for labor.

That's right, it doesn't. The reason Detroit is bankrupt and there is little manufacturing in America is primarily because unions have milked the system dry. People who barely got out of high school thought they deserved, with union help, a big house, three cars, private school, and a boat just for just for putting a screw in a fender 40 hours a week. Unfortunately for them, Stein's Law kicked in.

Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the
work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who
don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders,
et cetera.

Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with compensation.

On 7/28/13 12:57 PM, wrote:
ring in America is primarily because unions have milked the system dry.
People who barely got out of high school thought they deserved, with
union help, a big house, three cars, private school, and a boat just for
just for putting a screw in a fender 40 hours a week. Unfortunately for
them, Stein's Law kicked in.

Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the
work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who
don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders,
et cetera.

Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with compensation.


Well, of course...you're a mouth-breathing white southern racist living
in a state infamous for exploiting people and for wanting to secede from
the United States. I lost track: is the flag of slavery insurrection
still flying over your state capital?

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Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the
equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched
them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of
course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from
being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with
compensation.

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Years ago, my company built several vacuum coating systems for
McDonnell Douglas in St. Louis. The systems were assembled and went
through acceptance testing at our facility before shipment to
McDonnell Douglas. They deposited sacrificial coatings onto wing
sections and landing gear components of aircraft used by the Navy for
landing on aircraft carriers. Interestingly, the same system design
was later licensed by McDonnell Douglas to be used by commercial
bakeries for items like bread pans and other things used in the baking
industry.

Anyway, after the first system was shipped and installed at the St.
Louis facility, I visited to see how the installation went and to
make sure the system was operating properly. While watching it go
through it's paces with the McDonnell Douglas project manager, I
noticed that a set point in one of the instruments needed a slight
"tweak". I pulled out my "tweaker" (a small screwdriver with an
eighth inch flat blade) and approached the control console to make
the adjustment when the project manager grabbed my arm and said, "You
can't touch it!". I explained I was just going to make a minor
adjustment that would take about 2 seconds to do but he told me he
would have to fill out a work request to the McDonnell Douglas union
shop to make the adjustment.

I couldn't believe it.

So, we waited. Went to lunch. Came back and waited some more.
Finally the union electrician showed up with his huged tool box on
wheels and a leather tool belt strapped to his waist. He asked what
we wanted done.

I decided to be a wise ass. I told him that the foreline valve on
the diffusion pump was opening at too high a pressure, potentially
causing backstreaming into the process chamber. I requested that he
adjust the crossover pressure to 100 microns and set the foreline
valve high setpoint to no more than 150 microns.

I then handed him my "tweaker".

He got the hint and suggested that maybe it would be better if I did
it since I had designed the system.

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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:54:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/27/13 6:26 PM, wrote:

Of course electricians and licensed solar contractors will do
everything they can to stop DIY installers.
The government is on their side, denying any rebates to an unlicensed
installs.

Good. Licensed electricians and contractors are the ones who should be
doing the work. I thought you only had a hard-on against college
educated individuals, but I see you have no use for those who spend
years learning a trade and being responsible for their work.

Careful now, you are in over your depth again.

They do sell O/L listed, plug and play solar collectors
(Westinghouse/Akeena is one)
These come with a NEMA 5-15 plug, you just mount the collector on any
surface that faces the sun and plug it in to a handy receptacle.

Why would you need an electrician or solar contractor for that?

You still get no tax relief from the government when you buy them.

Harry's proven he's not handy at all! Remember the deck he did himself
and the picture had the contractor's trailer in it?!

One huge disadvantage of discouraging DIY installers is you are
choking off innovation. A contractor is going to install a product
that has been around long enough to be tested 6 ways from Sunday and
he will choose the one that gives him the highest profit margins.

A DIY guy might actually come up with a much better system and he will
be trying something new, not just the same old tired technology that
is already in the distribution network.

I suppose you have heard of the Edison paradox.
If Edison had actually gone to college, he would have been told the
things he invented, were not possible by people with no imagination.

But Edison was innovative and grasped new technology, the FOXites are
afraid of that.