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A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
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A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0500, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is interesting that Harry brought this up. Maryland does not have a uniform electrical code, any municipality can pretty much approve or exempt anything they want (the AHJ is king of his patch) and there is no state licensing of inspectors. Some places might have basic requirements and across the street, the inspector might just be the mayor's out of work brother in law (like it was in Florida 25 years ago). Contractor licensing looks pretty rudimentary too. (a 4 hour test and pay the fees) I did not see any continuing education requirements. My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? That in no way means that the inspectors adhere to said code. -------------------------------- I haven't read the NEC book for several years but I think it used to have a statement in the preface to the effect of, "local codes and/or ordinances supersede these requirements" or something like that. |
A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0500, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is interesting that Harry brought this up. Maryland does not have a uniform electrical code, any municipality can pretty much approve or exempt anything they want (the AHJ is king of his patch) and there is no state licensing of inspectors. Some places might have basic requirements and across the street, the inspector might just be the mayor's out of work brother in law (like it was in Florida 25 years ago). Contractor licensing looks pretty rudimentary too. (a 4 hour test and pay the fees) I did not see any continuing education requirements. My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? That in no way means that the inspectors adhere to said code. -------------------------------- I haven't read the NEC book for several years but I think it used to have a statement in the preface to the effect of, "local codes and/or ordinances supersede these requirements" or something like that. Yes, and always has. For instance many states use the I.B.C. building code, but many states also have amendments to that code. Then some have their own code but now days it is based on the I.B.C. Of course, then the IBC references others such as ACI and AISC. Then if the building is commercial or industrial, etc. you have OSHA. And now everyone wants their buildings LEED certifiable. |
A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? That in no way means that the inspectors adhere to said code. ------------------------------------ The equipment I was involved with building consisted of large, stainless steel vacuum vessels with complex electrical controls, high voltage power supplies and other process related electronics. The technical proposals that we would submit were required to cite the applicable codes to be used in it's design and construction, especially for government projects. Problem is that in many cases there were no codes that covered certain aspects of the system. For example, the structural design of the chamber in terms of stresses, etc., are not covered in the ASME codes which are designed for pressure vessels, not vacuum. As a result, a 100 lb valve would be mounted on a standard ASME flange with about 14, three quarter inch bolts holding it on. Just a little overkill in terms of structural strength and cost. Same with many components used in the electrical design. The NEC code has absolutely nothing in it that addresses high voltage electron beam guns or power supplies. I modified our code "cite" page to include the following statement: "When the requirements of the system conflicts with any codes, the system requirements shall apply". |
A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
On 7/30/13 1:24 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0500, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is interesting that Harry brought this up. Maryland does not have a uniform electrical code, any municipality can pretty much approve or exempt anything they want (the AHJ is king of his patch) and there is no state licensing of inspectors. Some places might have basic requirements and across the street, the inspector might just be the mayor's out of work brother in law (like it was in Florida 25 years ago). Contractor licensing looks pretty rudimentary too. (a 4 hour test and pay the fees) I did not see any continuing education requirements. My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? That in no way means that the inspectors adhere to said code. -------------------------------- I haven't read the NEC book for several years but I think it used to have a statement in the preface to the effect of, "local codes and/or ordinances supersede these requirements" or something like that. Well, no offense, but this has deteriorated into another rec.boats facepalm thread. No matter what any posts, there are exceptions, there are reasons why it won't work, someone's brother in law knows a lousy inspector, someone's sister got electrocuted while using her AC powered vibrator, the contractors are no good, the contractors are lazy, there are exceptions to the code, ad nauseum. All that is missing is Herring trying to blame it all on the Democratic mayors of Chicago. That would earn the thread another facepalm. |
A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:53:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Same with many components used in the electrical design. The NEC code has absolutely nothing in it that addresses high voltage electron beam guns or power supplies. They deal with that by requiring that installed equipment shall be listed by a NRTL like U/L.. Then the inspector only checks to see that it was installed according to manufacturer instructions. The reality is after the building final , once you get inside the warehouse and shut the door, you are on your own. It is between you, OSHA and the fire marshal. ----------------------------------------- We only had one instance where a city required that a system we built be U/L certified or inspected. It was years ago and involved the old Bell and Howell company who had a facility in Chicago, about a mile from the airport. Our contract did not contain any U/L certification requirements but the local electrical inspector sprang it on both Bell and Howell and us after the system was built but before the city would issue a permit for it's installation. We ended up negotiating an acceptable inspection process with the U/L guy (different inspector) that satisfied everyone. On our end, we provided U/L certs for as many of the components we used that were available from the manufacturer. Items that were unique to the industry or entirely designed and made by my company were exempt, although I had to explain to the inspector what they were and what they did. He asked us to replace one simple and relatively inexpensive solenoid valve with a similar type that a U/L cert was readily available. The inspector told me it was basically for paperwork purposes to prove he did his job. I suspect that now-a-days the requirements are more stringent, plus the unique industry I was in has further matured, so there probably are now codes and either U/L or CE certs available for most components. |
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On 7/30/13 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:41:16 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0500, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is interesting that Harry brought this up. Maryland does not have a uniform electrical code, any municipality can pretty much approve or exempt anything they want (the AHJ is king of his patch) and there is no state licensing of inspectors. Some places might have basic requirements and across the street, the inspector might just be the mayor's out of work brother in law (like it was in Florida 25 years ago). Contractor licensing looks pretty rudimentary too. (a 4 hour test and pay the fees) I did not see any continuing education requirements. My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? You missed the part where I said Florida has a uniform state wide building code with NO LOCAL AMENDMENTS. The Electrical code is the NEC with one state wide amendment, requiring bonding metal studs. The local amendment thing is a big part of the problem. You say "my county" but how many other jurisdictions exist inside that county and what have they amended the code to say? Contractors tip toe around a mine field of local amendments that may change every time they cross a city or county border. For Example, Does Chesapeake Beach have a building department? Do they have their own amendments to the code? Chesapeake Beach has a mayor and council, but as far as I know depends upon the county for permits, schools, et cetera, although I do remember reading something about a zoning permit problem for some sort of celebration years ago. Depends upon the county for police, too. My guess is that none of the little towns or census places in this county have any substantial governmental operations. What we do have are some really interesting contemporary and historical residents. |
A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:46:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/30/13 3:25 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:41:16 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/30/13 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0500, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: I was in south Florida on assignment for a client for two months after Hurricane Andrew and was astonished at the evidence of really shoddy construction and bad inspections allowed, even in commerical construction. Is Florida still a state where that happens? Bull. My son in law is an OSHPD inspector. Hospitals hire reputable contractors and they are avoiding code a lot of the time. Why my son in law has a really nice profession. If these people are so well trained, why do you need an inspector. It is interesting that Harry brought this up. Maryland does not have a uniform electrical code, any municipality can pretty much approve or exempt anything they want (the AHJ is king of his patch) and there is no state licensing of inspectors. Some places might have basic requirements and across the street, the inspector might just be the mayor's out of work brother in law (like it was in Florida 25 years ago). Contractor licensing looks pretty rudimentary too. (a 4 hour test and pay the fees) I did not see any continuing education requirements. My county uses "the National Electrical Code, as amended, which sets standards for and provides for the inspection of, inspection procedures, permit requirements of the installation, alteration, repair, servicing, and maintenance of electrical wiring and equipment and interpretation of the Electrical Code." What does your county use? The "brother in law knows wiring" code? You missed the part where I said Florida has a uniform state wide building code with NO LOCAL AMENDMENTS. The Electrical code is the NEC with one state wide amendment, requiring bonding metal studs. The local amendment thing is a big part of the problem. You say "my county" but how many other jurisdictions exist inside that county and what have they amended the code to say? Contractors tip toe around a mine field of local amendments that may change every time they cross a city or county border. For Example, Does Chesapeake Beach have a building department? Do they have their own amendments to the code? Chesapeake Beach has a mayor and council, but as far as I know depends upon the county for permits, schools, et cetera, although I do remember reading something about a zoning permit problem for some sort of celebration years ago. Depends upon the county for police, too. My guess is that none of the little towns or census places in this county have any substantial governmental operations. What we do have are some really interesting contemporary and historical residents. That is the kind of thing that makes life confusing. Little towns like that can easily decide that they want their own building department and a kingdom is born It's not confusing. If you need a permit you contact the county permit office in prince Frederick. |
A sure sign that solar power is becoming practical...
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