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On 7/28/13 12:57 PM, wrote:
ring in America is primarily because unions have milked the system dry.
People who barely got out of high school thought they deserved, with
union help, a big house, three cars, private school, and a boat just for
just for putting a screw in a fender 40 hours a week. Unfortunately for
them, Stein's Law kicked in.

Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the
work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who
don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders,
et cetera.

Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with compensation.


Well, of course...you're a mouth-breathing white southern racist living
in a state infamous for exploiting people and for wanting to secede from
the United States. I lost track: is the flag of slavery insurrection
still flying over your state capital?

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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:18:18 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/28/13 12:57 PM, wrote:

ring in America is primarily because unions have milked the system dry.

People who barely got out of high school thought they deserved, with

union help, a big house, three cars, private school, and a boat just for

just for putting a screw in a fender 40 hours a week. Unfortunately for

them, Stein's Law kicked in.



Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the

work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who

don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders,

et cetera.



Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with compensation.





Well, of course...you're a mouth-breathing white southern racist living

in a state infamous for exploiting people and for wanting to secede from

the United States. I lost track: is the flag of slavery insurrection

still flying over your state capital?

Yawn... the best part of you ran down your mama's leg. Paid off those tax debts and bankruptcies yet?

But, have a nice day. :-)

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wrote in message
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Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the
equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched
them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of
course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from
being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with
compensation.

--------------------------------

Years ago, my company built several vacuum coating systems for
McDonnell Douglas in St. Louis. The systems were assembled and went
through acceptance testing at our facility before shipment to
McDonnell Douglas. They deposited sacrificial coatings onto wing
sections and landing gear components of aircraft used by the Navy for
landing on aircraft carriers. Interestingly, the same system design
was later licensed by McDonnell Douglas to be used by commercial
bakeries for items like bread pans and other things used in the baking
industry.

Anyway, after the first system was shipped and installed at the St.
Louis facility, I visited to see how the installation went and to
make sure the system was operating properly. While watching it go
through it's paces with the McDonnell Douglas project manager, I
noticed that a set point in one of the instruments needed a slight
"tweak". I pulled out my "tweaker" (a small screwdriver with an
eighth inch flat blade) and approached the control console to make
the adjustment when the project manager grabbed my arm and said, "You
can't touch it!". I explained I was just going to make a minor
adjustment that would take about 2 seconds to do but he told me he
would have to fill out a work request to the McDonnell Douglas union
shop to make the adjustment.

I couldn't believe it.

So, we waited. Went to lunch. Came back and waited some more.
Finally the union electrician showed up with his huged tool box on
wheels and a leather tool belt strapped to his waist. He asked what
we wanted done.

I decided to be a wise ass. I told him that the foreline valve on
the diffusion pump was opening at too high a pressure, potentially
causing backstreaming into the process chamber. I requested that he
adjust the crossover pressure to 100 microns and set the foreline
valve high setpoint to no more than 150 microns.

I then handed him my "tweaker".

He got the hint and suggested that maybe it would be better if I did
it since I had designed the system.

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On 7/28/2013 2:50 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:18:18 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/28/13 12:57 PM, wrote:

ring in America is primarily because unions have milked the system dry.

People who barely got out of high school thought they deserved, with

union help, a big house, three cars, private school, and a boat just for

just for putting a screw in a fender 40 hours a week. Unfortunately for

them, Stein's Law kicked in.



Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the

work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who

don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders,

et cetera.



Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with compensation.





Well, of course...you're a mouth-breathing white southern racist living

in a state infamous for exploiting people and for wanting to secede from

the United States. I lost track: is the flag of slavery insurrection

still flying over your state capital?

Yawn... the best part of you ran down your mama's leg. Paid off those tax debts and bankruptcies yet?

But, have a nice day. :-)


Yawn is right... Did he just try to insult you because you live in a
state that was rebel during the frekin' civil war? LOL!

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On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:22:22 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message

...





Heh. The mouth-breathing idiots they send to the booth to plug in the

equipment have to be shown how to do it (literally). I've watched

them destroy about as much stuff as they've sucessfully hooked up. Of

course, when they destroy something union rules prevent them from

being fired, and if they break a nail doing it they get time off with

compensation.



--------------------------------



Years ago, my company built several vacuum coating systems for

McDonnell Douglas in St. Louis. The systems were assembled and went

through acceptance testing at our facility before shipment to

McDonnell Douglas. They deposited sacrificial coatings onto wing

sections and landing gear components of aircraft used by the Navy for

landing on aircraft carriers. Interestingly, the same system design

was later licensed by McDonnell Douglas to be used by commercial

bakeries for items like bread pans and other things used in the baking

industry.



Anyway, after the first system was shipped and installed at the St.

Louis facility, I visited to see how the installation went and to

make sure the system was operating properly. While watching it go

through it's paces with the McDonnell Douglas project manager, I

noticed that a set point in one of the instruments needed a slight

"tweak". I pulled out my "tweaker" (a small screwdriver with an

eighth inch flat blade) and approached the control console to make

the adjustment when the project manager grabbed my arm and said, "You

can't touch it!". I explained I was just going to make a minor

adjustment that would take about 2 seconds to do but he told me he

would have to fill out a work request to the McDonnell Douglas union

shop to make the adjustment.



I couldn't believe it.



So, we waited. Went to lunch. Came back and waited some more.

Finally the union electrician showed up with his huged tool box on

wheels and a leather tool belt strapped to his waist. He asked what

we wanted done.



I decided to be a wise ass. I told him that the foreline valve on

the diffusion pump was opening at too high a pressure, potentially

causing backstreaming into the process chamber. I requested that he

adjust the crossover pressure to 100 microns and set the foreline

valve high setpoint to no more than 150 microns.



I then handed him my "tweaker".



He got the hint and suggested that maybe it would be better if I did

it since I had designed the system.

LOL. I had to point to ty-raps that had to be cut, then point to connections to be made, all because they were "protecting the jobs they had "worked" so hard to keep". It's a sick joke, perpetrated on the American public. See my post about Stein's Law.

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:44:26 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

===

We used to have a joke in the IT business that the ideal data center
would have a staff of two: One operator and one dog.



Q. So you might ask what the dog is for?

A. To make sure the operator doesn't touch anything.



That will be the factory of the future also.

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 17:54:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:44:26 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

===

We used to have a joke in the IT business that the ideal data center
would have a staff of two: One operator and one dog.



Q. So you might ask what the dog is for?

A. To make sure the operator doesn't touch anything.



That will be the factory of the future also.

The libtards will try to make sure the dog is a union member.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:05:50 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 17:54:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:44:26 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

===

We used to have a joke in the IT business that the ideal data center
would have a staff of two: One operator and one dog.



Q. So you might ask what the dog is for?

A. To make sure the operator doesn't touch anything.



That will be the factory of the future also.

The libtards will try to make sure the dog is a union member.


============

Not all liberals are retarded, only the knee jerk variety - same for
conservatives also.

In any case, no problem if the dog is union assuming he gets paid only
for the work he does, no credit for just showing up.

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says...


He got the hint and suggested that maybe it would be better if I did
it since I had designed the system.

Sure sounds like the project manager was the only idiot
in that scenario.

This thread has gone as expected.
A former electrical inspector (Greg) got paid by the
government to nag Joe Blow about an extra inch of wire in
a wall switch box.
It was all good. Put money in Greg's pocket, and the
"public" was kept safe. Very good.
Times and circumstances have changed.
Greg isn't a government paid inspector now.
He's Joe Blow.

Now the former nagging inspector wants Joe Blow to be
empowered to tie his personal solar power producing
system into the public electrical grid - with no
oversight at all. Says it's just a plug in a wall.
The former code-nagger says Joe Blow is really another
Thomas Edison, and should be allowed to freely "innovate"
on the public electrical grid, for the advancement of
civilization. Solar power is just "plugs." That's all.
Add some misrepresention of "plug-n-play" solar power,
and misrepresention of solar tax credit policy.
Add some disparagement of "higher" education.
What do you get from the denizens of rec.boat?
Anti-union rants.
Yep, it's insane, but there it is.

The icing on the cake is that Florida is a "right to
work" state.
No need for unionized tradesmen to get a job done.
So really, what's going on here is simple rank hypocrisy.

Greg wants to be Mr DIY to save bucks for himself.
To hell with codes he formerly got paid to enforce, to
hell with licensing, to hell with safety.
Just slap them solar puppies on the roof, and tie the
power to the public grid. Hell, it's just plugs and some
wires, right?
We don't need no damn worries about hurricanes blowing
solar panels all over the place, or power company linemen
getting zapped, or my handiwork bringing down power for
miles around.
Oh yes, one other thing.
I want the government to pay me too, like they paid me
for my clunker.
That pretty much covers it.
Carry on.