Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

Halliburton pleads guilty to destroying Gulf spill evidence


* Third company to plead guilty over Gulf spill

* Halliburton to pay $200,000 fine

* $55 million to be donated to fish and wildlife group

July 25 (Reuters) - Halliburton Co has agreed to plead guilty to
destroying evidence related to the 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill, the
U.S. Department of Justice said on Thursday.

The government said the guilty plea is the third by a company over the
spill, and requires the world's second-largest oilfield services company
to pay a maximum $200,000 statutory fine. Halliburton also made a
separate, voluntary $55 million payment to the National Fish and
Wildlife Foundation, the Justice Department said.

Halliburton also agreed to three years of probation, and to continue
cooperating with the criminal probe into the April 20, 2010 explosion of
the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig.

Court approval of the settlement is required.

A Halliburton spokeswoman did not immediately respond to requests for
comment.

The disaster caused 11 deaths and triggered the largest U.S. offshore
oil spill following the rupture of the Macondo oil well, which was 65
percent owned by BP Plc. Halliburton had earlier provided cementing
services to help seal the well.

According to the government, Halliburton recommended to BP that the
Macondo well contain 21 centralizers, metal collars that can improve
cementing, but BP chose to use six.

The government said that, during an internal probe into the cementing
after the blowout, Halliburton ordered workers to destroy computer
simulations that showed little difference between using six and 21
centralizers. Efforts to forensically locate the simulations were
unsuccessful, the government said.

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This will never stop with itsy-bitsy fines, because they are just a cost
of doing business. Halliburton execs should be doing time.

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:06:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Halliburton execs should be doing time.

===

And so should you. Tax fraud is a felony last time I looked.

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On 7/25/2013 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:06:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Halliburton execs should be doing time.

===

And so should you. Tax fraud is a felony last time I looked.

Harry cant reconcile to the fact that we *all* know about his financial
problems. I think we should keep after him till he confesses and repents
for his sins.

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:32:36 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/25/2013 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:06:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Halliburton execs should be doing time.

===

And so should you. Tax fraud is a felony last time I looked.

Harry cant reconcile to the fact that we *all* know about his financial
problems. I think we should keep after him till he confesses and repents
for his sins.

===

I'm sure that Harry has somehow convinced himself that all of his
financial failures are a result of some right wing conspiracy, perhaps
lead by Dick Cheney personally. Maybe he should have taken a few
business courses in college instead of all that underwater basket
weaving fluff.

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On 7/25/2013 9:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:32:36 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/25/2013 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:06:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Halliburton execs should be doing time.

===

And so should you. Tax fraud is a felony last time I looked.

Harry cant reconcile to the fact that we *all* know about his financial
problems. I think we should keep after him till he confesses and repents
for his sins.

===

I'm sure that Harry has somehow convinced himself that all of his
financial failures are a result of some right wing conspiracy, perhaps
lead by Dick Cheney personally. Maybe he should have taken a few
business courses in college instead of all that underwater basket
weaving fluff.

Imagine spending all that money for a BA and an MA and having only the
credentials of "good spella" to show for it. He should have saved his
money, and entered a few spelling bees in grammar school instead.

Even his career choice missed the mark. A union organizer can only grow
up to be a thug. Whereas a community organizer can grow up to be, well
you know. As Maxwell Smart used to say "He came that close".

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On 7/26/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 05:55:59 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



Imagine spending all that money for a BA and an MA and having only the
credentials of "good spella" to show for it. He should have saved his
money, and entered a few spelling bees in grammar school instead.

Even his career choice missed the mark. A union organizer can only grow
up to be a thug. Whereas a community organizer can grow up to be, well
you know. As Maxwell Smart used to say "He came that close".

What's the difference between an English major and a Domino's pizza?


A Domino's pizza can feed a family of 4..



It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.

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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:23:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.

====

Too bad they didn't teach you about paying taxes and your debts.

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On 7/26/13 1:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:23:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.

====

Too bad they didn't teach you about paying taxes and your debts.


Wow...a lecture from a bankster facilitator. What are the odds that some
of your retirement income comes from an organization that bilked
millions of people and required massive federal bailouts?

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On 7/26/13 1:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:23:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 05:55:59 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



Imagine spending all that money for a BA and an MA and having only the
credentials of "good spella" to show for it. He should have saved his
money, and entered a few spelling bees in grammar school instead.

Even his career choice missed the mark. A union organizer can only grow
up to be a thug. Whereas a community organizer can grow up to be, well
you know. As Maxwell Smart used to say "He came that close".

What's the difference between an English major and a Domino's pizza?


A Domino's pizza can feed a family of 4..



It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.

I always chuckle when guys with BAs ask me if I want fries with that.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

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On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:40:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I always chuckle when guys with BAs ask me if I want fries with that.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

It is also a recession proof business.
When you gotta go, you gotta go.

I find it interesting that the college loan crisis is bigger than the
bankruptcy problems in all of the corrupt northern cities combined ...
by a factor of 10x or more. It is largely for the same reason. People
borrowed more money than the productivity they gained with the
"investment" will ever pay back.

What an interesting take. A better one might be that the entire concept
of financing higher education should be ****canned, and that higher
education should be provided at no or little cost to students who can
progress through it. You know, like Europe.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock
those who
have them.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college
and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

-------------------------------

Union trained, of course.

I don't know what has happened to you over the years Harry. I've
been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995 .... that's 18 years ago.
You've were always an advocate of unions (probably because for at
least a while most of your bread and butter came from supporting union
activities) but you were never so dismissive or outright negative
about people who choose other paths in life.

Same with education and college. You are obviously very proud of
your multiple degrees but that doesn't mean that those who didn't
focus on academia and chose to get the education required for a
specific type of job aren't just as accomplished or smart as you think
you are. In fact, given what doors your educational background would
open for you for right now, a technical degree or a specialized
vocational school diploma would be far more useful if you were just
starting out in your working career.

Although you love to be critical of your perceived lack of education
or qualification in others, statistics prove you wrong.

Roughly 70 percent of the population today do not have a college
degree. A higher percentage are not members of any unions.
There are plenty of highly skilled, well trained tradespeople making a
good living without benefit of a union.
Same is true of people who didn't go to college and either learned a
trade or learned by doing the requirements for "professional" level
jobs ... company managers, accountants, even presidents.

Are they all to be scoffed at by someone like you who's apparent main
achievement in life was obtaining a couple of degrees?

I am really sorry to see you becoming so intolerant in your more
advanced years. You weren't like this 18 years ago. It's really the
time to chill out, relax a bit and start developing an appreciation
for the achievements of others, even if it was just plugging away,
raising a family and trying to survive.

My father-in-law doesn't have much of an education. He grew up in
East Boston and left school in the sixth grade.
After WWII he got married, worked several jobs, moved to the suburbs,
bought a house and raised two fine girls while plugging away working
all his life. He never wanted more than he could afford, never had a
credit card and never had a car payment. His only debt was the house
he bought and he paid it off early. He had old, beater boats that he
fixed up himself and enjoyed his life. He's still around, at 90 years
old.

My father went to school after WWII, became an engineer in the field
of non-destructive testing and also got married and raised three kids.
He travelled often, became involved in some major projects in
aerospace, defense and commercial programs that were often stressfull.
Like my father-in-law, he worked hard, mostly for the benefit of his
family. He died when he was 72, three years into "retirement".

When I was about 50 it finally dawned on me that each in their own way
were successful, accomplished men, regardless of the level of their
respective educations.

You really need to chill out and enjoy whatever time you have left on
this planet.

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On 7/26/13 2:39 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

-------------------------------

Union trained, of course.

I don't know what has happened to you over the years Harry. I've been
a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995 .... that's 18 years ago. You've
were always an advocate of unions (probably because for at least a while
most of your bread and butter came from supporting union activities)
but you were never so dismissive or outright negative about people who
choose other paths in life.

Same with education and college. You are obviously very proud of your
multiple degrees but that doesn't mean that those who didn't focus on
academia and chose to get the education required for a specific type of
job aren't just as accomplished or smart as you think you are. In
fact, given what doors your educational background would open for you
for right now, a technical degree or a specialized vocational school
diploma would be far more useful if you were just starting out in your
working career.

Although you love to be critical of your perceived lack of education or
qualification in others, statistics prove you wrong.

Roughly 70 percent of the population today do not have a college
degree. A higher percentage are not members of any unions.
There are plenty of highly skilled, well trained tradespeople making a
good living without benefit of a union.
Same is true of people who didn't go to college and either learned a
trade or learned by doing the requirements for "professional" level
jobs ... company managers, accountants, even presidents.

Are they all to be scoffed at by someone like you who's apparent main
achievement in life was obtaining a couple of degrees?

I am really sorry to see you becoming so intolerant in your more
advanced years. You weren't like this 18 years ago. It's really the
time to chill out, relax a bit and start developing an appreciation for
the achievements of others, even if it was just plugging away, raising a
family and trying to survive.

My father-in-law doesn't have much of an education. He grew up in East
Boston and left school in the sixth grade.
After WWII he got married, worked several jobs, moved to the suburbs,
bought a house and raised two fine girls while plugging away working all
his life. He never wanted more than he could afford, never had a
credit card and never had a car payment. His only debt was the house he
bought and he paid it off early. He had old, beater boats that he
fixed up himself and enjoyed his life. He's still around, at 90 years old.

My father went to school after WWII, became an engineer in the field of
non-destructive testing and also got married and raised three kids. He
travelled often, became involved in some major projects in aerospace,
defense and commercial programs that were often stressfull. Like my
father-in-law, he worked hard, mostly for the benefit of his family.
He died when he was 72, three years into "retirement".

When I was about 50 it finally dawned on me that each in their own way
were successful, accomplished men, regardless of the level of their
respective educations.

You really need to chill out and enjoy whatever time you have left on
this planet.






I'm just giving back a bit of what I get here, Eisbocher. That's all.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



I'm just giving back a bit of what I get here, Eisbocher. That's all.

-------------------------

Why?

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On 7/26/13 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



I'm just giving back a bit of what I get here, Eisbocher. That's all.

-------------------------

Why?



Why just a bit? Because to do more would take more time and a little
effort, and wrecked.boats isn't worth saving from the conservatrashers.

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 05:55:59 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



Imagine spending all that money for a BA and an MA and having only the
credentials of "good spella" to show for it. He should have saved his
money, and entered a few spelling bees in grammar school instead.

Even his career choice missed the mark. A union organizer can only grow
up to be a thug. Whereas a community organizer can grow up to be, well
you know. As Maxwell Smart used to say "He came that close".

What's the difference between an English major and a Domino's pizza?


A Domino's pizza can feed a family of 4..

http://tinyurl.com/k45gmyc

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:40:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I always chuckle when guys with BAs ask me if I want fries with that.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends. It is also a recession proof business.
When you gotta go, you gotta go.

I find it interesting that the college loan crisis is bigger than the
bankruptcy problems in all of the corrupt northern cities combined ...
by a factor of 10x or more. It is largely for the same reason. People
borrowed more money than the productivity they gained with the
"investment" will ever pay back.

I know a person in Florida that made a VERY good income from having two
honey dippers! He said it smelled like money to him!

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On 7/26/13 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:35:22 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

The one I know clears over 150,000k a year and gets to write off a lot
of his regular living expenses, like most contractors, so he pays
fewer taxes. (wife and kids drive a company car etc)

Most of my college-educated friends are "doing" at least that well.



The biggest problem with higher education in this country is bloat.
Cost has risen much faster than anything else in our country ...
including energy.
Personally I think the problem is TOO MANY high schoolers get into
college. In 1964 you had to qualify to get into college and a lot of
kids could not even get accepted into a state school. Now, if you want
to go, you can. even if you had no business graduating from high
school. That is why a "4 year" degree takes 5 or even 6 years to get.
You take high school at college prices.
I also think the college model may not really be the best way to get
higher education.
We would be a lot better off if people learned what they need to know
to get a job than simply getting 4 years of useless information simply
for the sake of being able to say you could sit there that long.

I have had more time in class in my life than most "masters" graduates
and it was things I needed to know, when I needed to know it.



"Useless information." You still think education is a trade school. Sad.

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On 7/26/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:35:22 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

The one I know clears over 150,000k a year and gets to write off a lot
of his regular living expenses, like most contractors, so he pays
fewer taxes. (wife and kids drive a company car etc)

So, the guy who pumps poop, gets paid more than a dr, dr, dr that only
spews poop, by about 40 grand a year?

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On 7/26/13 5:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/26/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:35:22 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

The one I know clears over 150,000k a year and gets to write off a lot
of his regular living expenses, like most contractors, so he pays
fewer taxes. (wife and kids drive a company car etc)

So, the guy who pumps poop, gets paid more than a dr, dr, dr that only
spews poop, by about 40 grand a year?


As a full-blown psychotic, you have need of both services.

BTW, I don't for a minute believe a guy who pumps out septic tanks is
netting over $150,000 a year, unless he has a huge corporation with a
lot of workers. The average pump out around here is $200 and the
process takes at least an hour and a half, with lots of down time and
travel time to customer sites and to dump what is in the truck. I can
see a hard working self employed guy grossing $2000 a week for part of
the year, working very hard, and netting, oh, at least three times what
you net, PsychoSnotty.

How's the post hole digging going?

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On 7/26/2013 2:39 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.


. I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.


Are they all to be scoffed at by someone like you who's apparent main
achievement in life was obtaining a couple of degrees?




OOOOOooooHHH SNAAAAAPPP !!!

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On 7/26/13 6:06 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/26/2013 2:39 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those
who
have them.


. I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college
and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.


Are they all to be scoffed at by someone like you who's apparent main
achievement in life was obtaining a couple of degrees?




OOOOOooooHHH SNAAAAAPPP !!!



What are you "snapping" at? You barely got out of high school and the
best job you ever held was stacking crates at a warehouse.

How is the hole digging biz going?

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Too bad that hole digging business only lasted one day.
Hard work didn't agree with Snottie.

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On 7/26/13 6:26 PM, True North wrote:
Too bad that hole digging business only lasted one day.
Hard work didn't agree with Snottie.


Is he out of that business already?

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Appears so.
To survive doing that work he'd have to find the money to buy a tractor that could have various augers attached.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/26/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 05:55:59 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



Imagine spending all that money for a BA and an MA and having only the
credentials of "good spella" to show for it. He should have saved his
money, and entered a few spelling bees in grammar school instead.

Even his career choice missed the mark. A union organizer can only grow
up to be a thug. Whereas a community organizer can grow up to be, well
you know. As Maxwell Smart used to say "He came that close".

What's the difference between an English major and a Domino's pizza?


A Domino's pizza can feed a family of 4..



It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who have them.

Some of us with university degree's also figure you did not get your
money's worth. And a lot of Blue Collar, non degreed workers make a lot
better living than an English major degree earn.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/26/13 5:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/26/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:35:22 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

The one I know clears over 150,000k a year and gets to write off a lot
of his regular living expenses, like most contractors, so he pays
fewer taxes. (wife and kids drive a company car etc)

So, the guy who pumps poop, gets paid more than a dr, dr, dr that only
spews poop, by about 40 grand a year?


As a full-blown psychotic, you have need of both services.

BTW, I don't for a minute believe a guy who pumps out septic tanks is
netting over $150,000 a year, unless he has a huge corporation with a lot
of workers. The average pump out around here is $200 and the process
takes at least an hour and a half, with lots of down time and travel time
to customer sites and to dump what is in the truck. I can see a hard
working self employed guy grossing $2000 a week for part of the year,
working very hard, and netting, oh, at least three times what you net, PsychoSnotty.

How's the post hole digging going?

A lot of septic tank pumpers also rent porta potties. Good money in those.
The income is enough to buy $100k+ trucks and pay for the yard and still
put money in the bank.

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On 7/26/2013 1:18 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/26/13 1:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:23:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.

====

Too bad they didn't teach you about paying taxes and your debts.


Wow...a lecture from a bankster facilitator. What are the odds that some
of your retirement income comes from an organization that bilked
millions of people and required massive federal bailouts?

Who cares?

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On Friday, July 26, 2013 2:15:55 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Why just a bit? Because to do more would take more time and a little

effort, and wrecked.boats isn't worth saving from the conservatrashers.


I don't know why you'd say that, Harry. Daily (hourly?) you seem to fight 'them' tooth and nail here.

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On 7/26/13 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, July 26, 2013 2:15:55 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Why just a bit? Because to do more would take more time and a little

effort, and wrecked.boats isn't worth saving from the conservatrashers.


I don't know why you'd say that, Harry. Daily (hourly?) you seem to fight 'them' tooth and nail here.



Seriously? Fight implies I give a ****. I don't.

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On 7/26/2013 7:43 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/26/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 05:55:59 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



Imagine spending all that money for a BA and an MA and having only the
credentials of "good spella" to show for it. He should have saved his
money, and entered a few spelling bees in grammar school instead.

Even his career choice missed the mark. A union organizer can only grow
up to be a thug. Whereas a community organizer can grow up to be, well
you know. As Maxwell Smart used to say "He came that close".

What's the difference between an English major and a Domino's pizza?


A Domino's pizza can feed a family of 4..



It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who have them.

Some of us with university degree's also figure you did not get your
money's worth. And a lot of Blue Collar, non degreed workers make a lot
better living than an English major degree earn.


I didn't go to University and I have two less bankruptcies than harry
krause...

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On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:46:48 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/26/13 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:

On Friday, July 26, 2013 2:15:55 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Why just a bit? Because to do more would take more time and a little



effort, and wrecked.boats isn't worth saving from the conservatrashers.





I don't know why you'd say that, Harry. Daily (hourly?) you seem to fight 'them' tooth and nail here.







Seriously? Fight implies I give a ****. I don't.

Then why are you taunting 'them?'

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wrote in message
...


I retired at 49, I am living on the water in the sunshine and we are
comfortable, not owing anyone any money. I did OK.

------------------------------

When I was in my early 40's I set a goal of having the option to
retire by the time I was 55. Made it with 2 years to spare.
It's amazing what can be accomplished if you establish a serious goal.
Everything you do, every decision you make becomes contingent upon not
obscuring the goal but rather trying to support it, if possible.

In my case it wasn't trying to make as much money as I could so I
could retire early. When I worked for others I was not highly paid
and when I started my company, I was often one of the lowest paid
people as it struggled to get going in the early years. Instead, I
focused on building the value of the company in terms of it's products
and technology and it ultimately paid off, not only for me but for my
small group of stockholders and for all the employees who also shared
in the proceeds of the sale.

When I reflect back on things I've done in my life so far it cracks me
up sometimes. I am far from being particularly smart and I certainly
am not overly educated. Nothing I learned in formal schools
contributed much towards what I later did for a living because until
the mid 1990's there were no formal college level courses or degrees
offered in the technology in which I became involved. Probably a good
thing because it caused me and others who worked in the field to
constantly self-educate, try things and be creative. Looking back, I
can see how a degree in a specific field or technical discipline can
sometimes become a limiting factor because many of the rules have
already been established. I call it the Edison Syndrome. He never
went to school to get a technical degree and later one of his
associates claimed that had Edison gone to college he would have
learned that many of the things he accomplished were impossible to
achieve. If I had stuck with being an electronics engineer, I'd
probably still be designing high voltage power supplies for some
company somewhere.

Following nine years in the military, going to school part time and
then at nights under the GI bill after I got out, I've been involved
as a principle in three companies. The first, back in 1981, was as a
minor, sweat equity stock holder. The second was as the principle
founder and CEO of the company that I eventually sold. The third was
the more recent and goofy "retirement" guitar shop project that grew
more than I really intended or wanted it to. It didn't take long for
me to realize that I was never designed for working in a retail
environment, so I turned the shop over to a good friend who has more
skill and patience in that than I.

Second to staying married to an incredibly understanding and
supportive wife of 43 years and raising three kids, I am most proud
of the fact that all three of the companies I either directly created
or helped create are still in business, supporting the families of
many people. That's a good feeling when I allow myself a pat on the
back.

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading
this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone
to attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at
the same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve
more through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive
government policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear
that the latter is the current trend, not simply by attempted
legislation but also by the perpetuation of a social "mood" that
businesses and the management of them are the enemy. Not all people
aspire to the same goals. Their rewards should be consistent with the
effort they put into them.

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On 7/27/2013 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:04:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 5:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

BTW, I don't for a minute believe a guy who pumps out septic tanks is
netting over $150,000 a year, unless he has a huge corporation with a
lot of workers. The average pump out around here is $200 and the
process takes at least an hour and a half, with lots of down time and
travel time to customer sites and to dump what is in the truck. I can
see a hard working self employed guy grossing $2000 a week for part of
the year, working very hard, and netting, oh, at least three times what
you net, PsychoSnotty.

How's the post hole digging going?

This guy is a contractor, actually pumping tanks is a fraction of his
business but it does generate a lot of service work where the money
really is.



If you do what Harry did and are any good at it, You work for agencies
in Chicago or New York, and write copy or manage accounts like John
Deer, Good and Plenty, Disney, Walmart, The Beef Council. Remember
"where's the Beef"?

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On 7/27/2013 6:54 AM, Eisboch wrote:


wrote in message
...


I retired at 49, I am living on the water in the sunshine and we are
comfortable, not owing anyone any money. I did OK.

------------------------------

When I was in my early 40's I set a goal of having the option to retire
by the time I was 55. Made it with 2 years to spare.
It's amazing what can be accomplished if you establish a serious goal.
Everything you do, every decision you make becomes contingent upon not
obscuring the goal but rather trying to support it, if possible.

In my case it wasn't trying to make as much money as I could so I could
retire early. When I worked for others I was not highly paid and when
I started my company, I was often one of the lowest paid people as it
struggled to get going in the early years. Instead, I focused on
building the value of the company in terms of it's products and
technology and it ultimately paid off, not only for me but for my small
group of stockholders and for all the employees who also shared in the
proceeds of the sale.

When I reflect back on things I've done in my life so far it cracks me
up sometimes. I am far from being particularly smart and I certainly
am not overly educated. Nothing I learned in formal schools contributed
much towards what I later did for a living because until the mid 1990's
there were no formal college level courses or degrees offered in the
technology in which I became involved. Probably a good thing because it
caused me and others who worked in the field to constantly self-educate,
try things and be creative. Looking back, I can see how a degree in a
specific field or technical discipline can sometimes become a limiting
factor because many of the rules have already been established. I call
it the Edison Syndrome. He never went to school to get a technical
degree and later one of his associates claimed that had Edison gone to
college he would have learned that many of the things he accomplished
were impossible to achieve. If I had stuck with being an electronics
engineer, I'd probably still be designing high voltage power supplies
for some company somewhere.

Following nine years in the military, going to school part time and then
at nights under the GI bill after I got out, I've been involved as a
principle in three companies. The first, back in 1981, was as a minor,
sweat equity stock holder. The second was as the principle founder and
CEO of the company that I eventually sold. The third was the more
recent and goofy "retirement" guitar shop project that grew more than I
really intended or wanted it to. It didn't take long for me to realize
that I was never designed for working in a retail environment, so I
turned the shop over to a good friend who has more skill and patience in
that than I.

Second to staying married to an incredibly understanding and supportive
wife of 43 years and raising three kids, I am most proud of the fact
that all three of the companies I either directly created or helped
create are still in business, supporting the families of many people.
That's a good feeling when I allow myself a pat on the back.

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone to
attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at the
same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve more
through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive government
policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear that the latter
is the current trend, not simply by attempted legislation but also by
the perpetuation of a social "mood" that businesses and the management
of them are the enemy. Not all people aspire to the same goals. Their
rewards should be consistent with the effort they put into them.




Harry won't understand any of this, but show him a good bumper sticker
and he'll figure it out eventually. He's still working on "Hope and Change"

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On 7/27/13 6:54 AM, Eisboch wrote:

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone to
attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at the
same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve more
through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive government
policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear that the latter
is the current trend, not simply by attempted legislation but also by
the perpetuation of a social "mood" that businesses and the management
of them are the enemy. Not all people aspire to the same goals. Their
rewards should be consistent with the effort they put into them.


Unfortunately, since the 1980's, the upper income classes have sucked
most of the money out of the economy, and that trend is continuing.
There's no need to reiterate the disparities, or the abuses perpetrated
against those who aren't in the upper income classes.

And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

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On 7/27/2013 7:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/27/13 6:54 AM, Eisboch wrote:

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone to
attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at the
same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve more
through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive government
policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear that the latter
is the current trend, not simply by attempted legislation but also by
the perpetuation of a social "mood" that businesses and the management
of them are the enemy. Not all people aspire to the same goals. Their
rewards should be consistent with the effort they put into them.


Unfortunately, since the 1980's, the upper income classes have sucked
most of the money out of the economy, and that trend is continuing.
There's no need to reiterate the disparities, or the abuses perpetrated
against those who aren't in the upper income classes.

And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

Well, you do need a good talking to. ;-)

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On 7/27/13 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:04:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 5:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

BTW, I don't for a minute believe a guy who pumps out septic tanks is
netting over $150,000 a year, unless he has a huge corporation with a
lot of workers. The average pump out around here is $200 and the
process takes at least an hour and a half, with lots of down time and
travel time to customer sites and to dump what is in the truck. I can
see a hard working self employed guy grossing $2000 a week for part of
the year, working very hard, and netting, oh, at least three times what
you net, PsychoSnotty.

How's the post hole digging going?

This guy is a contractor, actually pumping tanks is a fraction of his
business but it does generate a lot of service work where the money
really is.




Oh, I thought we were discussing a guy who made $150,000 a year pumping
out sewage from residential septic tanks and replacing the occasional
valve. Obviously, we are not.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses
and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate
citizens.

--------------------------------

I won't lecture as long as you don't expect what you didn't earn.

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On 7/27/13 8:58 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

--------------------------------

I won't lecture as long as you don't expect what you didn't earn.




snerk

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On 7/27/2013 8:58 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

--------------------------------

I won't lecture as long as you don't expect what you didn't earn.



Obviously you need to turn lecture mode full on.