Now that same-sex marriage is legal, I wonder how many male ultra
conservatives are worried their boyfriends will give them ultimatums.

On 6/27/2013 4:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:44:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Now that same-sex marriage is legal, I wonder how many male ultra
conservatives are worried their boyfriends will give them ultimatums.

Hey maybe we will get that rule that you can marry one man and one
woman out of this,


What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those
who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from
their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the left
hates that.

On 6/27/13 5:01 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/27/2013 4:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:44:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Now that same-sex marriage is legal, I wonder how many male ultra
conservatives are worried their boyfriends will give them ultimatums.

Hey maybe we will get that rule that you can marry one man and one
woman out of this,


What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those
who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from
their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the left
hates that.

More absurdities.

On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:05:42 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those

who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from

their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the left

hates that.



More absurdities.

Not really, Harry.

I have a friend who is a pastor of an old line denomination who's beliefs have been steering towards social 'gay rights' for some time. He doesn't believe in 'gay marriage' but stands on the core of 'man and woman'. However, he is afraid that if the deciding powers of the church's national, or state (or even regional) council says he must perform same-sex marriages, then he feels he will be forced to abide. OR, he feels that there is a chance that he could be civilly charged in a discrimination suite, maybe lose his retirement and/or possibly forfeit his ordination license to preach in that denomination.

Seriously.

On 6/27/13 6:29 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:05:42 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those

who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from

their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the left

hates that.



More absurdities.

Not really, Harry.

I have a friend who is a pastor of an old line denomination who's beliefs have been steering towards social 'gay rights' for some time. He doesn't believe in 'gay marriage' but stands on the core of 'man and woman'. However, he is afraid that if the deciding powers of the church's national, or state (or even regional) council says he must perform same-sex marriages, then he feels he will be forced to abide. OR, he feels that there is a chance that he could be civilly charged in a discrimination suite, maybe lose his retirement and/or possibly forfeit his ordination license to preach in that denomination.

Seriously.


Being ordered to do something by a denomination to whom you have
expressed fealty and submission is not the same as being ordered to do
so by a civil court. If you don't like what the denomination is telling
you to do, you can quit, eh?

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:39:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/27/13 6:29 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:05:42 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those

who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from

their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the left

hates that.



More absurdities.

Not really, Harry.

I have a friend who is a pastor of an old line denomination who's beliefs have been steering towards social 'gay rights' for some time. He doesn't believe in 'gay marriage' but stands on the core of 'man and woman'. However, he is afraid that if the deciding powers of the church's national, or state (or even regional) council says he must perform same-sex marriages, then he feels he will be forced to abide. OR, he feels that there is a chance that he could be civilly charged in a discrimination suite, maybe lose his retirement and/or possibly forfeit his ordination license to preach in that denomination.

Seriously.


Being ordered to do something by a denomination to whom you have
expressed fealty and submission is not the same as being ordered to do
so by a civil court. If you don't like what the denomination is telling
you to do, you can quit, eh?

===

You may have missed the part about possibly losing his retirement
benefits - no different than working fot a corporation.

On 6/27/2013 6:29 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:05:42 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those

who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from

their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the left

hates that.



More absurdities.

Not really, Harry.

I have a friend who is a pastor of an old line denomination who's beliefs have been steering towards social 'gay rights' for some time. He doesn't believe in 'gay marriage' but stands on the core of 'man and woman'. However, he is afraid that if the deciding powers of the church's national, or state (or even regional) council says he must perform same-sex marriages, then he feels he will be forced to abide. OR, he feels that there is a chance that he could be civilly charged in a discrimination suite, maybe lose his retirement and/or possibly forfeit his ordination license to preach in that denomination.

Seriously.


The folks on the other side of that know what they are after, they are
just not honest enough to face it up front...

On Thursday, June 27, 2013 7:39:24 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:39:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 6/27/13 6:29 PM, Tim wrote:

On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:05:42 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:





What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those



who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from



their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the left



hates that.







More absurdities.



Not really, Harry.



I have a friend who is a pastor of an old line denomination who's beliefs have been steering towards social 'gay rights' for some time. He doesn't believe in 'gay marriage' but stands on the core of 'man and woman'. However, he is afraid that if the deciding powers of the church's national, or state (or even regional) council says he must perform same-sex marriages, then he feels he will be forced to abide. OR, he feels that there is a chance that he could be civilly charged in a discrimination suite, maybe lose his retirement and/or possibly forfeit his ordination license to preach in that denomination.



Seriously.





Being ordered to do something by a denomination to whom you have

expressed fealty and submission is not the same as being ordered to do

so by a civil court. If you don't like what the denomination is telling

you to do, you can quit, eh?



===



You may have missed the part about possibly losing his retirement
benefits - no different than working fot a corporation.

Or the parallel of working for a union and them losing their "bargaining" power and not liking the result. Too bad, you can quit and go to work elsewhere, eh?

On 6/27/13 8:53 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/27/2013 6:29 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:05:42 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those

who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from

their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the
left

hates that.



More absurdities.

Not really, Harry.

I have a friend who is a pastor of an old line denomination who's
beliefs have been steering towards social 'gay rights' for some time.
He doesn't believe in 'gay marriage' but stands on the core of 'man
and woman'. However, he is afraid that if the deciding powers of the
church's national, or state (or even regional) council says he must
perform same-sex marriages, then he feels he will be forced to abide.
OR, he feels that there is a chance that he could be civilly charged
in a discrimination suite, maybe lose his retirement and/or possibly
forfeit his ordination license to preach in that denomination.

Seriously.


The folks on the other side of that know what they are after, they are
just not honest enough to face it up front...


Face what...that you shouldn't be discriminating against gays? If you
work for a company and it sets a policy that applies to the company and
is legal and you don't like the policy, your choices are simple...either
go along or get out. Is there something about being an employee of a
church that allows you to thumb your nose at church policy?

On Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:48:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 8:53 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 6/27/2013 6:29 PM, Tim wrote:

On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:05:42 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:





What we will get is activists going from Church to Church suing those



who will not marry them. The long term is to drive the Churches from



their business... They just do it so much better than the Govt, the

left



hates that.







More absurdities.



Not really, Harry.



I have a friend who is a pastor of an old line denomination who's

beliefs have been steering towards social 'gay rights' for some time.

He doesn't believe in 'gay marriage' but stands on the core of 'man

and woman'. However, he is afraid that if the deciding powers of the

church's national, or state (or even regional) council says he must

perform same-sex marriages, then he feels he will be forced to abide.

OR, he feels that there is a chance that he could be civilly charged

in a discrimination suite, maybe lose his retirement and/or possibly

forfeit his ordination license to preach in that denomination.



Seriously.





The folks on the other side of that know what they are after, they are

just not honest enough to face it up front...





Face what...that you shouldn't be discriminating against gays? If you

work for a company and it sets a policy that applies to the company and

is legal and you don't like the policy, your choices are simple...either

go along or get out. Is there something about being an employee of a

church that allows you to thumb your nose at church policy?

Harry, call it what you want, but this is a matter of religious freedom being possibly jeopardized by being forced into compliance.