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On 6/27/13 8:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... Pass a law to ban this: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/26...acked-her-home And a gun locked in a safe would have prevented this HOW? Love the name of that URL: "Fox News Insider." Is that where the crazies get their "news"? |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. ------------------------------------------------------- Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury is going to be influenced. |
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury is going to be influenced. === She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her original depositions. I wonder who coached her. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury is going to be influenced. === She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her original depositions. I wonder who coached her. ------------------------------------------ According to her, "she got some sleep". She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though. She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being "schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily what she remembers, then this trial is a joke. |
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On 6/27/2013 12:10 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury is going to be influenced. === She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her original depositions. I wonder who coached her. I am getting the feeling she feels she is somewhat of a thug, for the jury it could mean that her friends are thugs too... It only backs up the impression the pre-trial publicity on his cell phone videos, drug use, school suspensions, etc propagated... |
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On 6/27/13 2:16 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury is going to be influenced. === She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her original depositions. I wonder who coached her. ------------------------------------------ According to her, "she got some sleep". She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though. She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being "schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily what she remembers, then this trial is a joke. Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? ------------------------------------------- There's a difference between being counseled on your testimony and being coached in what to say. First thing you are counseled in is to answer the questions truthfully, but only the question. Don't offer anything beyond answering the question. To that end, she has done a great job. Coaching also includes a lawyer telling you the sorts of questions that will be asked and how you should answer them within the confines of the truth. No lawyer wants a witness to answer more than what has been asked. |
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On 6/27/2013 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part And make sure Al Sharpton doesn't come in and coach your main witness into changing her testimony left and right.... |
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On 6/27/13 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part There are no witnesses to testify that Martin inflicted those alleged injuries. |
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On 6/27/13 4:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/27/2013 3:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part And make sure Al Sharpton doesn't come in and coach your main witness into changing her testimony left and right.... Ahh, the Darryl Issa of rec.boats pipes up. |
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says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on the kids hands..... |
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says... On 6/27/2013 3:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part And make sure Al Sharpton doesn't come in and coach your main witness into changing her testimony left and right.... Do you suppose that Zimmerman isn't getting coached? |
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On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. |
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On 6/27/13 4:52 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/27/2013 4:29 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. In all fairness, I might be screaming too reaching for a weapon while someone was trying to kill me... You walk the streets of your neighborhood with a firearm, eh? |
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On 6/27/2013 11:42 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:17:58 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Pass a law to ban this: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/26...acked-her-home And a gun locked in a safe would have prevented this HOW? You buy a safe that is quick opening like this http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Min...1000C-DLX.html Put it in your "safe room" (with a door that locks) and retreat there and lock the door when you first think you are in trouble. That buys you the 5 seconds you need to open the safe and retrieve your gun. It also gives you a very good legal defense if the bad guy kicks in the door and you shoot him, even in the "obligation to retreat" states. A big dog will give you even more time. None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. It's not quite that simple. There is some necessary preparation. First you need to position the 200lb kid face down on the pavement and get him to scrape his knuckles. Then you need to bloddy the back of your head and break your nose. Finally, you need to lie on your back, shimmy under the boy thug and carefully place a 9mm slug in his chest cavity. All while no one is looking. |
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On 6/27/2013 2:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 2:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury is going to be influenced. === She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her original depositions. I wonder who coached her. ------------------------------------------ According to her, "she got some sleep". She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though. She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being "schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily what she remembers, then this trial is a joke. Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Virtually all witnesses in criminal trials are coached. Ahhh, but don't get caught coaching the witness to remember things that didn't happen, or to remember things differently than they were remembered in deposition. bad things could happen to the coach and the coachee. |
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On 6/27/2013 4:48 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. You are quite the racist Eh Krauseburger? |
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On 6/27/2013 4:59 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 4:52 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 6/27/2013 4:29 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. In all fairness, I might be screaming too reaching for a weapon while someone was trying to kill me... You walk the streets of your neighborhood with a firearm, eh? Why not, Since there were prior crimes committed in the neighborhood? |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on the kids hands..... --------------------------------------------------- Assuming the reports of injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head are accurate, how did he get them? |
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On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after Zimmerman shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self defense, eh? :) |
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On 6/27/2013 5:11 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/27/2013 4:59 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/27/13 4:52 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 6/27/2013 4:29 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. In all fairness, I might be screaming too reaching for a weapon while someone was trying to kill me... You walk the streets of your neighborhood with a firearm, eh? Why not, Since there were prior crimes committed in the neighborhood? Even had a murder about a mile away a couple years back. Yup, it was nuts but the Cops did try to buy an Armored Vehicle and start a town SWAT team! Not sure if we got it yet though. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 3:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part There are no witnesses to testify that Martin inflicted those alleged injuries. --------------------------------------------------- The injuries are not alleged. Zimmerman's claim that they were inflicted by Martin is what is alleged. The police arrived, Zimmerman confessed to shooting Martin and, as I understand it, the injuries to Zimmerman were fresh at the time. I don't think you need a witness to make a case of self defense. That said though, if Zimmerman instigated the altercation by pursuing Martin and challenging or harassing him in any way, then I suspect his "stand your ground" defense will go out the window and he'll be found guilty. Just my guess. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. --------------------------------- Not if it is determined that Zimmerman initiated the altercation in the first place. If so, his "stand your ground" defense pops. |
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On 6/27/13 6:23 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 3:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part There are no witnesses to testify that Martin inflicted those alleged injuries. --------------------------------------------------- The injuries are not alleged. Zimmerman's claim that they were inflicted by Martin is what is alleged. The police arrived, Zimmerman confessed to shooting Martin and, as I understand it, the injuries to Zimmerman were fresh at the time. I don't think you need a witness to make a case of self defense. That said though, if Zimmerman instigated the altercation by pursuing Martin and challenging or harassing him in any way, then I suspect his "stand your ground" defense will go out the window and he'll be found guilty. Just my guess. The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera. I have a feeling Zimmerman is going to have to take the stand. That should be interesting. |
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On 6/27/2013 5:27 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on the kids hands..... --------------------------------------------------- Assuming the reports of injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head are accurate, how did he get them? Ask loogie to cite his last comment. I wonder what he hit that scuffed his hands up. |
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On 6/27/2013 5:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after Zimmerman shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self defense, eh? :) If you don't think it was self defense, let's hear your version of the story. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera. ------------------------------------------- There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was determined by powder residue and burns. If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top, leaning forward, the space would exist. I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation. |
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On 6/27/13 7:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera. ------------------------------------------- There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was determined by powder residue and burns. If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top, leaning forward, the space would exist. I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation. I'll bet the jury doesn't give a **** about that and probably won't understand it, either. There are many ways the two shirts could be up close and personal to each other, or separated by an inch. However the jury decides, that ain't gonna be a critical factor. I have a growing feeling that Zimmerman is going to take the stand. Hope so. The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of **** and perhaps a conviction will sink it. |
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"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/27/2013 5:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after Zimmerman shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self defense, eh? :) If you don't think it was self defense, let's hear your version of the story. -------------------------------------------- I think Harry is already convinced that Zimmerman is guilty, was on top of Martin, Martin was screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him. But I think otherwise, based on the little bit of evidence presented so far. Important to me was the forensic report that said there was a one to two inch space between Martin's shirt and the entry point of Zimmerman's round in his chest. Forensic evidence is damn good and can be replicated in a lab. It just doesn't compute if Martin was on his back on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him. It makes all kinds of sense if they were positioned the other way around. However, if it is proven to the jury that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing by following and/or harassing Martin in any way, I have a feeling the jury will find him guilty and rightly so. I don't think the "Stand your ground" statute should apply to a situation that he instigated and caused to happen. The legal beagles will say otherwise, stating that it's not a crime to follow anyone or ask them what they are doing. But the members of the jury are not lawyers. They will apply their common sense. |
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:32:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of **** === [Not] The right to defend yourself is self evident. |
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On 6/27/13 7:39 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/27/2013 5:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after Zimmerman shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self defense, eh? :) If you don't think it was self defense, let's hear your version of the story. -------------------------------------------- I think Harry is already convinced that Zimmerman is guilty, was on top of Martin, Martin was screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him. But I think otherwise, based on the little bit of evidence presented so far. Important to me was the forensic report that said there was a one to two inch space between Martin's shirt and the entry point of Zimmerman's round in his chest. Forensic evidence is damn good and can be replicated in a lab. It just doesn't compute if Martin was on his back on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him. It makes all kinds of sense if they were positioned the other way around. However, if it is proven to the jury that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing by following and/or harassing Martin in any way, I have a feeling the jury will find him guilty and rightly so. I don't think the "Stand your ground" statute should apply to a situation that he instigated and caused to happen. The legal beagles will say otherwise, stating that it's not a crime to follow anyone or ask them what they are doing. But the members of the jury are not lawyers. They will apply their common sense. I think Zimmerman went looking for trouble and found it. He has an interesting arrest record as a thug, and apparently he was either carrying his piece or went back to the truck to get it, then chased the kid down and maybe the kid said, "**** you," so hot-headed Zimmerman shot him. Luckily for Zimmerman, I'm not on the jury, eh? I'm more interested in stand your ground laws outside the house being ****canned than I am in the specific outcome of this case. It's bad law, reminiscent of the tales about the Old West. |
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