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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 7:26 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera. ------------------------------------------- There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was determined by powder residue and burns. If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top, leaning forward, the space would exist. I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation. I'll bet the jury doesn't give a **** about that and probably won't understand it, either. There are many ways the two shirts could be up close and personal to each other, or separated by an inch. However the jury decides, that ain't gonna be a critical factor. I have a growing feeling that Zimmerman is going to take the stand. Hope so. The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of **** and perhaps a conviction will sink it. -------------------------------- Just to clarify, I am not talking about spaces between Martin's and Zimmerman's shirts. I am talking about a 1 to 2 inch space between Martin's shirt and his chest. That would be hard to exist if Martin was on his back on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him. But, if Martin was on top, leaning forward somewhat, the space would exist. That's powerful evidence if I were a jury member, absent any eye witness who knew with certainty who was on top. So far, there aren't any. |
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"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/27/2013 5:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after Zimmerman shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self defense, eh? :) If you don't think it was self defense, let's hear your version of the story. -------------------------------------------- I think Harry is already convinced that Zimmerman is guilty, was on top of Martin, Martin was screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him. But I think otherwise, based on the little bit of evidence presented so far. Important to me was the forensic report that said there was a one to two inch space between Martin's shirt and the entry point of Zimmerman's round in his chest. Forensic evidence is damn good and can be replicated in a lab. It just doesn't compute if Martin was on his back on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him. It makes all kinds of sense if they were positioned the other way around. However, if it is proven to the jury that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing by following and/or harassing Martin in any way, I have a feeling the jury will find him guilty and rightly so. I don't think the "Stand your ground" statute should apply to a situation that he instigated and caused to happen. The legal beagles will say otherwise, stating that it's not a crime to follow anyone or ask them what they are doing. But the members of the jury are not lawyers. They will apply their common sense. The state has to convince everyone on the jury that Zimmerman is guilty beyond a doubt! Going to be hard with Martins record of thuggery. If even if they do not think it was a stand your ground case, they may figure Z was defending himself. |
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On 6/27/13 8:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
The state has to convince everyone on the jury that Zimmerman is guilty beyond a doubt! Going to be hard with Martins record of thuggery. If even if they do not think it was a stand your ground case, they may figure Z was defending himself. Martin doesn't have a record of "thuggery." He has no police record whatsoever. Zimmerman, on the other hand, has arrests for violence. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I think Zimmerman went looking for trouble and found it. He has an interesting arrest record as a thug, and apparently he was either carrying his piece or went back to the truck to get it, then chased the kid down and maybe the kid said, "**** you," so hot-headed Zimmerman shot him. Luckily for Zimmerman, I'm not on the jury, eh? I'm more interested in stand your ground laws outside the house being ****canned than I am in the specific outcome of this case. It's bad law, reminiscent of the tales about the Old West. ----------------------------------------- I don't think you necessarily need to have a "stand your ground" statute on the books. Self defense is self defense. The only part of stand your ground that is unique is the lack of a requirement to retreat if subject to a assault or likelyhood of an assault. If you consider the Zimmerman case, even with the "stand your ground" statute, he's still on trial for 2nd degree murder. I would expect that in any state, with or without a "stand your ground" law you would be subject to prosecution in a case involving deadly force and found innocent if it was determined to be self defense. In many situations that I've read about no charges were even filed against someone who used deadly force in a situation that was obviously and blatantly self defense. What ****es me off sometimes though is that the families of the perp often file a wrongful death civil suit and win. If it was self defense, it was self defense. |
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On 6/27/2013 7:39 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/27/2013 5:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after Zimmerman shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self defense, eh? :) If you don't think it was self defense, let's hear your version of the story. -------------------------------------------- I think Harry is already convinced that Zimmerman is guilty, was on top of Martin, Martin was screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him. But I think otherwise, based on the little bit of evidence presented so far. Important to me was the forensic report that said there was a one to two inch space between Martin's shirt and the entry point of Zimmerman's round in his chest. Forensic evidence is damn good and can be replicated in a lab. It just doesn't compute if Martin was on his back on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him. It makes all kinds of sense if they were positioned the other way around. However, if it is proven to the jury that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing by following and/or harassing Martin in any way, I have a feeling the jury will find him guilty and rightly so. I don't think the "Stand your ground" statute should apply to a situation that he instigated and caused to happen. The legal beagles will say otherwise, stating that it's not a crime to follow anyone or ask them what they are doing. But the members of the jury are not lawyers. They will apply their common sense. You could say Martin triggered the incident by being a suspicious person causing Zimm to make legitimate inquiries. beyond that, details are hearsay and speculation. The lawyers persuasive skills will determine the outcome on this one. I don't see any damning evidence. |
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On 6/27/2013 7:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 7:26 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera. ------------------------------------------- There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was determined by powder residue and burns. If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top, leaning forward, the space would exist. I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation. I'll bet the jury doesn't give a **** about that and probably won't understand it, either. There are many ways the two shirts could be up close and personal to each other, or separated by an inch. However the jury decides, that ain't gonna be a critical factor. I have a growing feeling that Zimmerman is going to take the stand. Hope so. The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of **** and perhaps a conviction will sink it. I doubt if you could be seated on ANY jury. You're just too bat**** crazy, racist and over the edge leftist. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Yes, he did, and NO DNA on Martin's hands. ------------------------------------- The absence of something (DNA in this case) doesn't exclude anything. It just means no DNA was found. There is an absence of an eye witness to the actual shooting. Doesn't mean the shooting didn't happen. |
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says... "Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/27/2013 5:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after Zimmerman shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self defense, eh? :) If you don't think it was self defense, let's hear your version of the story. -------------------------------------------- I think Harry is already convinced that Zimmerman is guilty, was on top of Martin, Martin was screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him. But I think otherwise, based on the little bit of evidence presented so far. Important to me was the forensic report that said there was a one to two inch space between Martin's shirt and the entry point of Zimmerman's round in his chest. Forensic evidence is damn good and can be replicated in a lab. It just doesn't compute if Martin was on his back on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him. It makes all kinds of sense if they were positioned the other way around. However, if it is proven to the jury that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing by following and/or harassing Martin in any way, I have a feeling the jury will find him guilty and rightly so. I don't think the "Stand your ground" statute should apply to a situation that he instigated and caused to happen. The legal beagles will say otherwise, stating that it's not a crime to follow anyone or ask them what they are doing. But the members of the jury are not lawyers. They will apply their common sense. All of this said, with all of the "forensic evidence" not a trace of Zimmerman's DNA on the hands of Martin, who the FOX sheeple have convicted of bashing Zimmerman's head in. Now beyond that, so what if Zimmerman got his ass handed to him when he accosted Martin? |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to act, etc? Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police tapes for that tho. I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the **** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim. I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his hands before gasping his last breath? If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead, the Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted. ------------------------------------------- I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the altercation? Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports. If so, how did he get them? Yes, he did, and NO DNA on Martin's hands. ------------------------------------- The absence of something (DNA in this case) doesn't exclude anything. It just means no DNA was found. There is an absence of an eye witness to the actual shooting. Doesn't mean the shooting didn't happen. DNA is an entirely different matter than a witness. How did this head bashing allegedly occur if there was no DNA on Martin's hands? |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on the kids hands..... --------------------------------------------------- Assuming the reports of injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head are accurate, how did he get them? Self inflicted perhaps? Stranger things have been done to conceal a crime. ------------------------------ Self inflicted? That's a stretch, given the timeline as reported by witnesses. The defense was going out of their way this morning to establish the timeline of events and prove there was no time for anything like that or for another person to be involved. The witness has testified that it was Martin on top, Zimmerman on the bottom and it was Zimmerman calling for help, in his opinion. That's pretty strong testimony. Funny thing is, he is technically the prosecution's witness. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... DNA is an entirely different matter than a witness. How did this head bashing allegedly occur if there was no DNA on Martin's hands? -------------------------------------------- What makes you think that DNA is automatically transmitted just because you came in contact with something? You are basing your whole conclusion on the *lack* of DNA. DNA is used to either prove contact or to prove the contact wasn't by the person accused. Lack of DNA proves nothing. |
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:44:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera. ------------------------------------------- There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was determined by powder residue and burns. If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top, leaning forward, the space would exist. I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation. If some stranger accosted me in the middle of the night for no reason and I had a chance, he'd get his ass kicked. So now the racist Martin did kick Zimmerman's ass. That is aggravated battery, a forcible felony and Zimmerman had every right to shoot him, Racist? I think the Cracker line shows that. Does anybody remember that it was Sharpton and his gang that turned this into an issue? Does anybody remember what Sharpton and Jackson do for a living. Especially Sharpton, a known witness coach...? |
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On 6/28/2013 12:34 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... DNA is an entirely different matter than a witness. How did this head bashing allegedly occur if there was no DNA on Martin's hands? -------------------------------------------- What makes you think that DNA is automatically transmitted just because you came in contact with something? You are basing your whole conclusion on the *lack* of DNA. DNA is used to either prove contact or to prove the contact wasn't by the person accused. Lack of DNA proves nothing. He watches too much CSI... There are many opinions out there that the magic done on TV crime shows is causing problems in criminal cases because of people like Kevin who confuse the TV shows, with reality... |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote: None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make sure you are in Florida, of course. You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on the concrete" part Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on the kids hands..... --------------------------------------------------- Assuming the reports of injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head are accurate, how did he get them? Self inflicted perhaps? Stranger things have been done to conceal a crime. ------------------------------ Self inflicted? That's a stretch, given the timeline as reported by witnesses. The defense was going out of their way this morning to establish the timeline of events and prove there was no time for anything like that or for another person to be involved. The witness has testified that it was Martin on top, Zimmerman on the bottom and it was Zimmerman calling for help, in his opinion. That's pretty strong testimony. Funny thing is, he is technically the prosecution's witness. Sound experts agree that the screaming for help was Martin. ---------------------------------------- That's not what I've heard. I've heard that the experts can *not* agree, due to the poor quality tape recordings based on a cell phone. The witness who testified this morning (Cook) said he was of the opinion that the screams for help came from Zimmerman .... who was on his back with Martin on top. He admitted he can't be 100 percent sure, but that was his impression. They are showing the trial on CNN. You can also find several places that are streaming it live on the Internet. You can hear this first hand for yourself, if you so desire. |
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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:07:55 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
You think some vigilante accosting and shooting someone isn't an "issue"???? It would be if that's what happened. You have no proof of that. The only thing that we know for certain is that Martin was shot. The rest is conjecture on your part. |
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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:22:58 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger". That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him to be confused or incapacitated. That's nuts. Zimm was certainly incapacitated (lying on the ground on your back being pummeled by a young, strong 200lb guy qualifies), and that in itself would tend to confuse someone. The jury is smarter than to fall for that. |
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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:49:41 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:22:58 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger". That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him to be confused or incapacitated. That's nuts. Zimm was certainly incapacitated (lying on the ground on your back being pummeled by a young, strong 200lb guy qualifies), and that in itself would tend to confuse someone. OH!!!! So YOU have proof that that's what happened???? HOW? Courtroom testimony by an eyewitness is all we can go on. "A man who said he witnessed George Zimmerman’s shooting of Trayvon Martin told a court today that what he saw indicated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman moments before Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. “Could you describe who was on top and who was at bottom,” asked prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda. “The color on top was dark and the color at bottom was…red,” responded Good referring to the men’s clothing. At another point he told the court that the person on the bottom had “lighter skin color.” Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red and black jacket that night. Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt. He also said, “The person on the bottom, I could hear a ‘Help.’” Under cross examination by Zimmerman’s lawyer, Good said he believes he saw Martin on top punching Zimmerman “MMA style,” a reference to mixed martial arts." |
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On 6/28/2013 3:22 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... The witness who testified this morning (Cook) said he was of the opinion that the screams for help came from Zimmerman .... who was on his back with Martin on top. He admitted he can't be 100 percent sure, but that was his impression. He wasn't an audio expert, he was a neighbor clearly taking sides. -------------------------------------------- Neighbor? Neighbor of whom? He testified he didn't know either one of the people involved. Who's *side* would he take? So, in your mind, a witness to the altercation who is a stranger to both parties, testifies under oath in a court room with "embellishments" to favor the prosecution? Are you so convinced that Zimmerman is guilty that the facts just don't matter? He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger". That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him to be confused or incapacitated. All Zimm needs to do is state that he perceived himself to be in danger. The extent of his injuries is irrelevant but do make a plausible case for him being concerned for his safety. |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:22:58 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger". That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him to be confused or incapacitated. That's nuts. Zimm was certainly incapacitated (lying on the ground on your back being pummeled by a young, strong 200lb guy qualifies), and that in itself would tend to confuse someone. The jury is smarter than to fall for that. ------------------------------------------------ Indeed, if that's what happened, I agree. I hope the jury does also. |
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