On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:17:58 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

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Pass a law to ban this:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/26...acked-her-home

And a gun locked in a safe would have prevented this HOW?

You buy a safe that is quick opening like this

http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Min...1000C-DLX.html

Put it in your "safe room" (with a door that locks) and retreat there
and lock the door when you first think you are in trouble.
That buys you the 5 seconds you need to open the safe and retrieve
your gun. It also gives you a very good legal defense if the bad guy
kicks in the door and you shoot him, even in the "obligation to
retreat" states.

A big dog will give you even more time.


None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the
street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make
sure you are in Florida, of course.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the
street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make
sure you are in Florida, of course.

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Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury
is going to be influenced.

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury
is going to be influenced.

===

She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her
original depositions. I wonder who coached her.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes
across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury
is going to be influenced.

===

She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her
original depositions. I wonder who coached her.

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According to her, "she got some sleep".

She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though.
She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball
questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical
elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert
and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect
her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being
"schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily
what she remembers, then this trial is a joke.

In article ,
says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes
across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury
is going to be influenced.

===

She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her
original depositions. I wonder who coached her.

------------------------------------------

According to her, "she got some sleep".

She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though.
She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball
questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical
elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert
and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect
her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being
"schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily
what she remembers, then this trial is a joke.

Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to
act, etc?

On 6/27/13 2:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes
across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury
is going to be influenced.

===

She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her
original depositions. I wonder who coached her.

------------------------------------------

According to her, "she got some sleep".

She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though.
She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball
questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical
elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert
and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect
her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being
"schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily
what she remembers, then this trial is a joke.

Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to
act, etc?


Virtually all witnesses in criminal trials are coached.

On 6/27/2013 2:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 2:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes
across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury
is going to be influenced.

===

She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her
original depositions. I wonder who coached her.

------------------------------------------

According to her, "she got some sleep".

She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though.
She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball
questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical
elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert
and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect
her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being
"schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily
what she remembers, then this trial is a joke.

Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to
act, etc?


Virtually all witnesses in criminal trials are coached.

Ahhh, but don't get caught coaching the witness to remember things that
didn't happen, or to remember things differently than they were
remembered in deposition. bad things could happen to the coach and the
coachee.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness.
On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes
across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the
jury
is going to be influenced.

===

She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her
original depositions. I wonder who coached her.

------------------------------------------

According to her, "she got some sleep".

She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached
though.
She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball
questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical
elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert
and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect
her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being
"schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily
what she remembers, then this trial is a joke.

Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to
act, etc?

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There's a difference between being counseled on your testimony and
being coached in what to say.
First thing you are counseled in is to answer the questions
truthfully, but only the question. Don't offer anything beyond
answering the question.
To that end, she has done a great job.

On 6/27/13 2:16 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:54:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Been watching the trial this morning. Tough call on the witness. On
one hand she comes across as being genuine, but she also comes
across
as being somewhat arrogant and disrespectful. Not sure how the jury
is going to be influenced.

===

She seems to have "remembered" a lot of extra details since her
original depositions. I wonder who coached her.

------------------------------------------

According to her, "she got some sleep".

She sure sounds like she was counseled and maybe even coached though.
She seems unable to recall, speak coherently to general, softball
questions or even understand them. But when it comes to critical
elements of the case, she seems to become much more attentive, alert
and specific in how she answers. If her answers accurately reflect
her recollections, that's good. But if they are based on being
"schooled" in preparation of her court testimony and not necessarily
what she remembers, then this trial is a joke.

Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to
act, etc?

-------------------------------------------

There's a difference between being counseled on your testimony and being
coached in what to say.
First thing you are counseled in is to answer the questions truthfully,
but only the question. Don't offer anything beyond answering the
question.
To that end, she has done a great job.




Coaching also includes a lawyer telling you the sorts of questions that
will be asked and how you should answer them within the confines of the
truth. No lawyer wants a witness to answer more than what has been asked.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:



Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to
act, etc?

Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek
and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness
testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police
tapes for that tho.
I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the
**** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim.

I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that
Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO
positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy
fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his
hands before gasping his last breath?