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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
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On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote:

None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on
the
street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him.
Make
sure you are in Florida, of course.

You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on
the concrete" part

Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on the
kids hands.....

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Assuming the reports of injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head are
accurate, how did he get them?

Self inflicted perhaps? Stranger things have been done to conceal a
crime.

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On 6/27/2013 5:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 5:25 PM, Eisboch wrote:


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On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer
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Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say,
how to
act, etc?

Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his
meek
and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear
witness
testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police
tapes for that tho.
I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating
the
**** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim.

I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think
that
Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You
are SO
positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple,
easy
fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he
sanitize his
hands before gasping his last breath?


If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead,
the
Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted.

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I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't
Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the
altercation?
Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports.
If
so, how did he get them?



Beats me. No witnesses. Maybe he was with a buddy who, after
Zimmerman
shot the kid, bashed him about the head so it would look like self
defense, eh?

If you don't think it was self defense, let's hear your version of the
story.

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I think Harry is already convinced that Zimmerman is guilty, was on
top of Martin, Martin was screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him.

But I think otherwise, based on the little bit of evidence presented
so far. Important to me was the forensic report that said there was a
one to two inch space between Martin's shirt and the entry point of
Zimmerman's round in his chest. Forensic evidence is damn good and
can be replicated in a lab.
It just doesn't compute if Martin was on his back on the ground with
Zimmerman on top of him. It makes all kinds of sense if they were
positioned the other way around.

However, if it is proven to the jury that Zimmerman instigated the
whole thing by following and/or harassing Martin in any way, I have a
feeling the jury will find him guilty and rightly so. I don't think
the "Stand your ground" statute should apply to a situation that he
instigated and caused to happen.
The legal beagles will say otherwise, stating that it's not a crime to
follow anyone or ask them what they are doing. But the members of
the jury are not lawyers. They will apply their common sense.

All of this said, with all of the "forensic evidence" not a trace of
Zimmerman's DNA on the hands of Martin, who the FOX sheeple have
convicted of bashing Zimmerman's head in. Now beyond that, so what if
Zimmerman got his ass handed to him when he accosted Martin?

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:21:10 -0500, Califbill
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The state has to convince everyone on the jury that Zimmerman is guilty
beyond a doubt! Going to be hard with Martins record of thuggery. If even
if they do not think it was a stand your ground case, they may figure Z was
defending himself.

None of Martin's past has been presented in court but if they try to
say anything about Zimmerman, it all comes in, along with anything
else O'Mara's detectives have found out about him and his
"girlfriend".
There is something strange going on there.

As strange as the fact that there was none of Zimmerman's DNA on the
hands that you claim beat Zimmerman?

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:39:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

However, if it is proven to the jury that Zimmerman instigated the
whole thing by following and/or harassing Martin in any way, I have a
feeling the jury will find him guilty and rightly so. I don't think
the "Stand your ground" statute should apply to a situation that he
instigated and caused to happen.
The legal beagles will say otherwise, stating that it's not a crime to
follow anyone or ask them what they are doing. But the members of
the jury are not lawyers. They will apply their common sense.


If the jury makes a legal mistake, it sets up an appeal.
That may be he O'mara plan from the beginning. As long as Zimmerman is
getting money from the web, O'mara is going to be there to take it.

If Zimmerman is SO innocent as you and FOX presume, why would that be
O'mara's course of action?

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The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


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There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.

If some stranger accosted me in the middle of the night for no reason
and I had a chance, he'd get his ass kicked.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:43:53 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote:

None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the
street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make
sure you are in Florida, of course.

You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on
the concrete" part

Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on the
kids hands.....

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:46:23 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer
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Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say, how to
act, etc?

Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his meek
and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear witness
testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police
tapes for that tho.
I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating the
**** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim.

I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think that
Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You are SO
positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple, easy
fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he sanitize his
hands before gasping his last breath?

Zimmerman is probably not going to say anything and he is just sitting
there. How much coaching does that take?
I have not seen anything about the autopsy presented into evidence
yet, have you?

It takes coaching, how to look, facial expressions, ALL comes into play.
Yes, autopsy information has been released well before the trial.

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On 6/27/13 4:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:03:11 -0400, iBoaterer
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Do you suppose that Zimmerman wasn't counseled on what to say,
how
to
act, etc?

Zimmerman has not said a word and I doubt he will although his
meek
and soft voice might go a long way toward dismissing the ear
witness
testimony about who was screaming for help. O'Mara has the police
tapes for that tho.
I think he was crying like a little girl when Martin was beating
the
**** out of him but that just backs up the self defense claim.

I didn't ask whether he said anything (yet). I asked do you think
that
Zimmerman wasn't counseled one what to say, how to act, etc.? You
are SO
positive that Martin beat Zimmerman, but what about the simple,
easy
fact that there was NO DNA of Zimmerman's on Martin? Did he
sanitize
his
hands before gasping his last breath?


If Zimmerman were Black and alive, and Martin were white and dead,
the
Fox-ites would claim Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted.

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I didn't follow the early reports of this event closely. Didn't
Zimmerman have some bloody head wounds immediately following the
altercation?
Seems like I remember seeing or hearing about that in news reports.
If so, how did he get them?

Yes, he did, and NO DNA on Martin's hands.

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The absence of something (DNA in this case) doesn't exclude anything.
It just means no DNA was found.
There is an absence of an eye witness to the actual shooting.
Doesn't mean the shooting didn't happen.

DNA is an entirely different matter than a witness. How did this head
bashing allegedly occur if there was no DNA on Martin's hands?

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote:

None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on
the
street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him.
Make
sure you are in Florida, of course.

You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head
on
the concrete" part

Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on
the
kids hands.....

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Assuming the reports of injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head are
accurate, how did he get them?

Self inflicted perhaps? Stranger things have been done to conceal a
crime.

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Self inflicted? That's a stretch, given the timeline as reported by
witnesses.

The defense was going out of their way this morning to establish the
timeline of events and prove there was no time for anything like that
or for another person to be involved.

The witness has testified that it was Martin on top, Zimmerman on the
bottom and it was Zimmerman calling for help, in his opinion.
That's pretty strong testimony. Funny thing is, he is technically
the prosecution's witness.

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DNA is an entirely different matter than a witness. How did this head
bashing allegedly occur if there was no DNA on Martin's hands?

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What makes you think that DNA is automatically transmitted just
because you came in contact with something?
You are basing your whole conclusion on the *lack* of DNA. DNA is
used to either prove contact or to prove the contact wasn't by the
person accused.
Lack of DNA proves nothing.