here you go JPS...
 

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On 6/28/2013 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:44:21 -0400, iBoaterer
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The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


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There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.

If some stranger accosted me in the middle of the night for no reason
and I had a chance, he'd get his ass kicked.

So now the racist Martin did kick Zimmerman's ass. That is aggravated
battery, a forcible felony and Zimmerman had every right to shoot him,

Racist? I think the Cracker line shows that.


Does anybody remember that it was Sharpton and his gang that turned this
into an issue? Does anybody remember what Sharpton and Jackson do for a
living. Especially Sharpton, a known witness coach...?

You think some vigilante accosting and shooting someone isn't an
"issue"????

here you go JPS...
 

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
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On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote:

None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid
on
the
street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot
him.
Make
sure you are in Florida, of course.

You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head
on
the concrete" part

Yeah, and the best part about that, absolutely NO Zimmerman DNA on
the
kids hands.....

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Assuming the reports of injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head
are
accurate, how did he get them?

Self inflicted perhaps? Stranger things have been done to conceal a
crime.

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Self inflicted? That's a stretch, given the timeline as reported
by
witnesses.

The defense was going out of their way this morning to establish the
timeline of events and prove there was no time for anything like
that
or for another person to be involved.

The witness has testified that it was Martin on top, Zimmerman on
the
bottom and it was Zimmerman calling for help, in his opinion.
That's pretty strong testimony. Funny thing is, he is technically
the prosecution's witness.

Sound experts agree that the screaming for help was Martin.

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That's not what I've heard. I've heard that the experts can *not*
agree, due to the poor quality tape recordings based on a cell phone.

The witness who testified this morning (Cook) said he was of the
opinion that the screams for help came from Zimmerman .... who was on
his back with Martin on top. He admitted he can't be 100 percent
sure, but that was his impression.

He wasn't an audio expert, he was a neighbor clearly taking sides.

They are showing the trial on CNN. You can also find several places
that are streaming it live on the Internet. You can hear this first
hand for yourself, if you so desire.

here you go JPS...
 

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The witness who testified this morning (Cook) said he was of the
opinion that the screams for help came from Zimmerman .... who was
on
his back with Martin on top. He admitted he can't be 100 percent
sure, but that was his impression.

He wasn't an audio expert, he was a neighbor clearly taking sides.


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Neighbor? Neighbor of whom? He testified he didn't know either
one of the people involved. Who's *side* would he take?

So, in your mind, a witness to the altercation who is a stranger to
both parties, testifies under oath in a court room with
"embellishments" to favor the prosecution?

Are you so convinced that Zimmerman is guilty that the facts just
don't matter?

He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on
making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger".
That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him
to be confused or incapacitated.

here you go JPS...
 

On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:07:55 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


You think some vigilante accosting and shooting someone isn't an
"issue"????

It would be if that's what happened. You have no proof of that. The only thing that we know for certain is that Martin was shot. The rest is conjecture on your part.

here you go JPS...
 

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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:07:55 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


You think some vigilante accosting and shooting someone isn't an
"issue"????

It would be if that's what happened. You have no proof of that. The only thing that we know for certain is that Martin was shot. The rest is conjecture on your part.

I have just as much proof of that as Greg has proof that Martin attacked
Zimmerman first.

here you go JPS...
 

On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:22:58 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:

He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on
making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger".
That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him
to be confused or incapacitated.

That's nuts. Zimm was certainly incapacitated (lying on the ground on your back being pummeled by a young, strong 200lb guy qualifies), and that in itself would tend to confuse someone.

The jury is smarter than to fall for that.

here you go JPS...
 

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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:22:58 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:

He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on
making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger".
That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him
to be confused or incapacitated.

That's nuts. Zimm was certainly incapacitated (lying on the ground on your back being pummeled by a young, strong 200lb guy qualifies), and that in itself would tend to confuse someone.


OH!!!! So YOU have proof that that's what happened???? HOW?

The jury is smarter than to fall for that.

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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:49:41 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:22:58 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:



He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on

making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger".

That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him

to be confused or incapacitated.



That's nuts. Zimm was certainly incapacitated (lying on the ground on your back being pummeled by a young, strong 200lb guy qualifies), and that in itself would tend to confuse someone.


OH!!!! So YOU have proof that that's what happened???? HOW?

Courtroom testimony by an eyewitness is all we can go on.

"A man who said he witnessed George Zimmerman’s shooting of Trayvon Martin told a court today that what he saw indicated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman moments before Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

“Could you describe who was on top and who was at bottom,” asked prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

“The color on top was dark and the color at bottom was…red,” responded Good referring to the men’s clothing.

At another point he told the court that the person on the bottom had “lighter skin color.”

Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red and black jacket that night. Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt.

He also said, “The person on the bottom, I could hear a ‘Help.’”

Under cross examination by Zimmerman’s lawyer, Good said he believes he saw Martin on top punching Zimmerman “MMA style,” a reference to mixed martial arts."

here you go JPS...
 

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The witness who testified this morning (Cook) said he was of the
opinion that the screams for help came from Zimmerman .... who was on
his back with Martin on top. He admitted he can't be 100 percent
sure, but that was his impression.

He wasn't an audio expert, he was a neighbor clearly taking sides.


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Neighbor? Neighbor of whom? He testified he didn't know either one
of the people involved. Who's *side* would he take?

So, in your mind, a witness to the altercation who is a stranger to
both parties, testifies under oath in a court room with
"embellishments" to favor the prosecution?

Are you so convinced that Zimmerman is guilty that the facts just don't
matter?

He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on
making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger".
That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause him
to be confused or incapacitated.


All Zimm needs to do is state that he perceived himself to be in danger.
The extent of his injuries is irrelevant but do make a plausible case
for him being concerned for his safety.

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On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:22:58 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:

He may still be found guilty. The prosecution is now focusing on
making a case that he (Zimmerman) was not in any "immediate danger".
That's why they are trying to show that his injuries did not cause
him
to be confused or incapacitated.

That's nuts. Zimm was certainly incapacitated (lying on the ground on
your back being pummeled by a young, strong 200lb guy qualifies), and
that in itself would tend to confuse someone.

The jury is smarter than to fall for that.

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Indeed, if that's what happened, I agree. I hope the jury does
also.