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....and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this:
http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:09:07 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I would have kept the Sig. I am going to get a P938 on Monday. The M&P's have a little piece of metal that you have to flip upin order to break them down. It's easy to do. My wife thought the P938 was too small. She liked the size and feel of the M&P9c - a little bigger. The P938 was a sweet gun though. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:09:07 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I would have kept the Sig. I am going to get a P938 on Monday. The M&P's have a little piece of metal that you have to flip upin order to break them down. It's easy to do. My wife thought the P938 was too small. She liked the size and feel of the M&P9c - a little bigger. The P938 was a sweet gun though. John (Gun Nut) H. Is there anything to all of the whining about it needing 124gr ammo? |
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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:05:34 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:09:07 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I would have kept the Sig. I am going to get a P938 on Monday. The M&P's have a little piece of metal that you have to flip upin order to break them down. It's easy to do. My wife thought the P938 was too small. She liked the size and feel of the M&P9c - a little bigger. The P938 was a sweet gun though. John (Gun Nut) H. Is there anything to all of the whining about it needing 124gr ammo? Don't know. Didn't shoot it - only dry fire. Trigger is about as nice as the Kimber. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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... ....and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! ================================ Sell? Just add to the armory. |
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. |
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:32 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. LOL. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 6/24/2013 3:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:32 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. LOL. John (Gun Nut) H. The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . Yeah, but you are Batman dude... |
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On 6/24/13 3:27 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/24/2013 3:00 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:32 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. LOL. John (Gun Nut) H. The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . Yeah, but you are Batman dude... Wonder if Herring got rid of the Sig because, as I warned him, it had a crappy trigger. I tried a few Sigs with D/A triggers and after that, a few Sigs with SAO triggers. The D/A triggers sucked big time, the S/A's were fine. |
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says... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:32 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. LOL. John (Gun Nut) H. The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . So how are you protected from a sudden home invasion when your guns are all locked in a safe? |
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On 6/24/13 3:52 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:32 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. LOL. John (Gun Nut) H. The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . So how are you protected from a sudden home invasion when your guns are all locked in a safe? He's got a ferocious face-licking dog. |
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:51:14 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:27:52 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 6/24/2013 3:00 PM, wrote: The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . Yeah, but you are Batman dude... Just a builder. When you are reframing walls it is easy to lose a few inches from room to room and not be noticeable. Well, it's too late for that. I think the perfect place to keep a gun safe is in your shop vac. Don't tell anyone. That's also where 'Shaker' (our pet rattler) hangs out. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 6/24/2013 3:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:27:52 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 6/24/2013 3:00 PM, wrote: The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . Yeah, but you are Batman dude... Just a builder. When you are reframing walls it is easy to lose a few inches from room to room and not be noticeable. Wow.... Batman... :) |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/24/2013 3:00 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:23 -0400, John H wrote: I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . Yeah, but you are Batman dude... ---------------------------------- Now that's funny! |
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On 6/24/13 4:32 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/24/2013 3:51 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:27:52 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 6/24/2013 3:00 PM, wrote: The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . Yeah, but you are Batman dude... Just a builder. When you are reframing walls it is easy to lose a few inches from room to room and not be noticeable. Wow.... Batman... :) There are wall safes that fit between walls with nominal 4" or 6" studs, and cannot be seen at all on one side and hide behind something decorative on the other. |
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On Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:38:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! WHO THE **** CARES ??? WHy couldn't you simply shoot yourself ??? |
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John H wrote:
...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 |
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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/24/13 3:27 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 6/24/2013 3:00 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:40:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:32 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. LOL. John (Gun Nut) H. The real answer is more than one safe. Why have all your eggs in one basket? One big safe is one big target for thieves. A few smaller ones scattered around and well hidden is a better plan. These days, tools that will defeat just about any consumer grade safe are hanging on the wall at Home Depot. Stealth and redundancy is a better defense than depending on brute strength. I have had 2 cop friends look for my gun safes and neither even got close. . Yeah, but you are Batman dude... Wonder if Herring got rid of the Sig because, as I warned him, it had a crappy trigger. I tried a few Sigs with D/A triggers and after that, a few Sigs with SAO triggers. The D/A triggers sucked big time, the S/A's were fine. Triggers can be fine-tuned. You should know that. Paying taxes is a mystery, too, eh? |
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On Monday, June 24, 2013 1:02:32 PM UTC-5, Califbill wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:35:40 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. Running out of room in the safe. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! --------- Bigger safe. Two bigger safe's! |
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote:
John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:18:46 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. I know, I've got one, a revolver. I guess if I lived down there I'd want something that'd kill pythons and boas on the first shot. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like ..40 S&W much, either. Do like the .367 mag in an S&W 27-2. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like ..40 S&W much, either. Do like the .367 mag in an S&W 27-2. --------------------------------------------- I know very little about comparisons of different kinds of ammo and even less about how to judge their "performance". Terms like "stopping power" really don't mean much, IMO, because there are so many other factors involved. However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357. --------------------------------- Woops. forgot the link: http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_trajectory_table.htm |
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On 6/25/13 1:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .367 mag in an S&W 27-2. --------------------------------------------- I know very little about comparisons of different kinds of ammo and even less about how to judge their "performance". Terms like "stopping power" really don't mean much, IMO, because there are so many other factors involved. However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357. Oh, I am aware of the different properties of some different rounds, but in shooting paper targets at a typical range distance, it doesn't matter much to me. Perhaps the original poster is talking about the ability to pierce and destroy flesh? |
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In article ,
says... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357. --------------------------------- Woops. forgot the link: http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_trajectory_table.htm Physics don't apply in Harryworld..... |
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:46:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 6/25/13 1:26 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .367 mag in an S&W 27-2. --------------------------------------------- I know very little about comparisons of different kinds of ammo and even less about how to judge their "performance". Terms like "stopping power" really don't mean much, IMO, because there are so many other factors involved. However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357. Oh, I am aware of the different properties of some different rounds, but in shooting paper targets at a typical range distance, it doesn't matter much to me. Perhaps the original poster is talking about the ability to pierce and destroy flesh? Why shoot anything bigger than a .22, if your goal is only to put targets in paper? Why sell the cheap 9mm and buy a .45? Are you thinking of destroying flesh, or just putting pencil sized holes in paper? John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 6/25/2013 2:54 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:46:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/25/13 1:26 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .367 mag in an S&W 27-2. --------------------------------------------- I know very little about comparisons of different kinds of ammo and even less about how to judge their "performance". Terms like "stopping power" really don't mean much, IMO, because there are so many other factors involved. However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357. Oh, I am aware of the different properties of some different rounds, but in shooting paper targets at a typical range distance, it doesn't matter much to me. Perhaps the original poster is talking about the ability to pierce and destroy flesh? Why shoot anything bigger than a .22, if your goal is only to put targets in paper? Why sell the cheap 9mm and buy a .45? Are you thinking of destroying flesh, or just putting pencil sized holes in paper? John (Gun Nut) H. Interesting question. I'm looking forward to hearing his answer. |
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:32:43 -0400, Hank© wrote:
On 6/25/2013 2:54 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:46:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/25/13 1:26 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .367 mag in an S&W 27-2. --------------------------------------------- I know very little about comparisons of different kinds of ammo and even less about how to judge their "performance". Terms like "stopping power" really don't mean much, IMO, because there are so many other factors involved. However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357. Oh, I am aware of the different properties of some different rounds, but in shooting paper targets at a typical range distance, it doesn't matter much to me. Perhaps the original poster is talking about the ability to pierce and destroy flesh? Why shoot anything bigger than a .22, if your goal is only to put targets in paper? Why sell the cheap 9mm and buy a .45? Are you thinking of destroying flesh, or just putting pencil sized holes in paper? John (Gun Nut) H. Interesting question. I'm looking forward to hearing his answer. Krause doesn't like the hard questions. That's why he purports to have me filtered. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. Why not? It comes with a .38 recoil spring for lighter use! |
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On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:25:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2. The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357 The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500. There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will bless. Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force! |
Sold the Sig Sauer...
On 6/26/2013 6:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:25:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. .357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm. 10mm/.40 closed that gap. A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2. The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357 The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500. There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will bless. Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force! What advantage does your 45 have over the 9s that you had so lovingly tweaked, and bragged about frequently. |
Sold the Sig Sauer...
On 6/26/13 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:40:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote: A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2. The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357 The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500. There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will bless. Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force! Like John says, if you are just poking holes in paper or plinking cans, maybe a .22 is more appropriate ... or maybe a BB gun. They make some real nice CO2 guns these days and a lot of people like Air Soft guns. My dad made a BB gun range on the basement when I was about 10. It used an old piece of carpet as a backstop with a stick of "K" gutter under it that recycled the BBs quite well. They collected in a bucket at the end. Your error is in buying into Herring's explanation of why I buy or sell anything. I stated I bought the .45 ACP revolver because I long wanted a ..45 double action revolver, not because I wanted to shoot it at the range or use it as a carry weapon or even as a household defense weapon. I have firearms more than adequate for paper and can plinking, including a cherry Ruger Mark III with fancy wood grips, a sight rail and a red dot sight I occasionally use. |
Sold the Sig Sauer...
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:45:14 -0400, Earl wrote:
John H wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote: John H wrote: ...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this: http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit. John (Gun Nut) H. I'm looking hard at this one... http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5 Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357? John (Gun Nut) H. Why not? It comes with a .38 recoil spring for lighter use! Yeah, you're right. I fire .38s in my revolver all the time. The .357's are too expensive. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Sold the Sig Sauer...
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Sold the Sig Sauer...
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:41:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 6/26/13 11:58 AM, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:40:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote: A performance advantage? Funny stuff. Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like .40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2. The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357 The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500. There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will bless. Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force! Like John says, if you are just poking holes in paper or plinking cans, maybe a .22 is more appropriate ... or maybe a BB gun. They make some real nice CO2 guns these days and a lot of people like Air Soft guns. My dad made a BB gun range on the basement when I was about 10. It used an old piece of carpet as a backstop with a stick of "K" gutter under it that recycled the BBs quite well. They collected in a bucket at the end. Your error is in buying into Herring's explanation of why I buy or sell anything. I stated I bought the .45 ACP revolver because I long wanted a .45 double action revolver, not because I wanted to shoot it at the range or use it as a carry weapon or even as a household defense weapon. I have firearms more than adequate for paper and can plinking, including a cherry Ruger Mark III with fancy wood grips, a sight rail and a red dot sight I occasionally use. Wow, I think you've got the best of everything. Cool! John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 6/26/13 1:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:01:38 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:39:30 -0400, wrote: I know, I've got one, a revolver. I guess if I lived down there I'd want something that'd kill pythons and boas on the first shot. They usually use shotguns with bird shot (7 1/2 or 8) It might be tough hitting a moving snake with a handgun. You really don't want one of them to bite you. There is no venom but they do have a mouth full of backward facing teeth. I've seen the pictures. Horrendous looking monster mouths. I'd want an M-79 with a buckshot round. My son in law has been out there with the hunters as the SFWMD observer. He says the hardest part is finding them in the first place and when you see it, you have to figure out which end is which since you just see a little part of the body most of the time They usually just shoot the part they see and get ready for a quick follow up shot when they see the head. The hard core rednecks will catch them alive and wrestle them down but that is not the typical "guv'mint" hunter unless it is a herpetologist doing a study.. Do they eat them, too? Do they taste like...chicken? :) |
Sold the Sig Sauer...
wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:40:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force! Like John says, if you are just poking holes in paper or plinking cans, maybe a .22 is more appropriate ... or maybe a BB gun. They make some real nice CO2 guns these days and a lot of people like Air Soft guns. My dad made a BB gun range on the basement when I was about 10. It used an old piece of carpet as a backstop with a stick of "K" gutter under it that recycled the BBs quite well. They collected in a bucket at the end. --------------------------------------------------- I bought a Ruger air rifle to "plink" in my yard. It's a one pump pellet type. Muzzle velocity with regular pellets is 1,250 fps. Using the lightweight alloy pellets it is 1,400 fps. Accurate as hell too. Not a single can has survived. Only problem is it's as loud or louder than my .22LR Ruger single 10 revolver because the exiting pellet is supersonic and you get the "crack" as the sound barrier is breeched. I bought it to shoot on my property without making any neighbors nervous, but it's loud enough to probably catch their attention. No complaints so far though. |
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