"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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On 6/18/13 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:



Jim's not like that. He may have different views about things but
he's very secure and quite sane. He's also playing a game of sorts
but I probably shouldn't squeal and spoil his fun.

What with everybody but you ignoring him, looks like his
"game" only entertains him and you.
Sounds like a very small barrel of fun.
Slammer and a buddy of his probably have a similar little
barrel rolling around, propelled by insane and lonely
laughter.
As pretentious, wrong-headed, and often-full-of-**** as
Krause is, he provides most of the entertainment here.
Don't know why some people are "threatened" by that.
But it is what it is. Pretty obvious most still posting
here are enthralled to reacting to Harry, and have
nothing of their own to contribute.
Just has to be "All About Harry." He's easy enough to
deal with politely, or can be ignored like anybody else.
They just can't do that because their screws aren't
properly torqued. Krauses rattles loose screws.
He's an expert at that, and it's him having the fun.
There are exceptions to the Harry-mania of course,
including you, and they are appreciated.
The others need a torque wrench and some Loktite.
Probably won't happen, so the little show will go on,
largely ignored by sane people.

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What I object to is the over the top, mean spirited, nasty comments,
often directed at people's wives and/or kids who are nothing but
innocent bystanders in the jousting contests. The other thing I can't
accept is blatant racism. Not a goody two shoes, but I just have
never been able to tolerate that. That's not to say the state of
racial inequality can't be discussed, and recognizing that racism can
go both ways. But calling people the "n" word in frustration just to
emphasize a point is out of bounds, IMO.

The one advantage I have here is that I know Jim pretty well.
Haven't seen him in about four years and we rarely communicate
privately but we've shared a lot of boating experiences and occasional
get togethers since about 1995. He has taken on a newsgroup
personna, mostly for the fun of it, just like Harry and many others.
What you see here isn't necessarily what's real. I know the real
JiminFla.

Back when rec.boats was a decent, mostly boating related newsgroup Jim
was often helpful to many in troubleshooting and resolving problems
people had with their boats. Contrary to what some people say, he's
knowledgeable was highly regarded around here in the boating scene.
But since those days are gone (basically ended when GWB became
president instead of Al Gore) the newsgroup has become more of a
reflection of our politically polarized society with one side trying
to squash the other. Harry has led the way unfortunately and
represents a philosophy well outside of Jim's. Hope someday it will
end, but doesn't seem like it will soon. Like our general society, it
only seems to be getting worse.

Whatever.

On 6/18/13 5:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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On 6/18/13 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:



Jim's not like that. He may have different views about things but
he's very secure and quite sane. He's also playing a game of sorts
but I probably shouldn't squeal and spoil his fun.

What with everybody but you ignoring him, looks like his
"game" only entertains him and you.
Sounds like a very small barrel of fun.
Slammer and a buddy of his probably have a similar little
barrel rolling around, propelled by insane and lonely
laughter.
As pretentious, wrong-headed, and often-full-of-**** as
Krause is, he provides most of the entertainment here.
Don't know why some people are "threatened" by that.
But it is what it is. Pretty obvious most still posting
here are enthralled to reacting to Harry, and have
nothing of their own to contribute.
Just has to be "All About Harry." He's easy enough to
deal with politely, or can be ignored like anybody else.
They just can't do that because their screws aren't
properly torqued. Krauses rattles loose screws.
He's an expert at that, and it's him having the fun.
There are exceptions to the Harry-mania of course,
including you, and they are appreciated.
The others need a torque wrench and some Loktite.
Probably won't happen, so the little show will go on,
largely ignored by sane people.

----------------------------------------------

What I object to is the over the top, mean spirited, nasty comments,
often directed at people's wives and/or kids who are nothing but
innocent bystanders in the jousting contests. The other thing I can't
accept is blatant racism. Not a goody two shoes, but I just have never
been able to tolerate that. That's not to say the state of racial
inequality can't be discussed, and recognizing that racism can go both
ways. But calling people the "n" word in frustration just to emphasize
a point is out of bounds, IMO.

The one advantage I have here is that I know Jim pretty well. Haven't
seen him in about four years and we rarely communicate privately but
we've shared a lot of boating experiences and occasional get togethers
since about 1995. He has taken on a newsgroup personna, mostly for the
fun of it, just like Harry and many others. What you see here isn't
necessarily what's real. I know the real JiminFla.

Back when rec.boats was a decent, mostly boating related newsgroup Jim
was often helpful to many in troubleshooting and resolving problems
people had with their boats. Contrary to what some people say, he's
knowledgeable was highly regarded around here in the boating scene. But
since those days are gone (basically ended when GWB became president
instead of Al Gore) the newsgroup has become more of a reflection of
our politically polarized society with one side trying to squash the
other. Harry has led the way unfortunately and represents a philosophy
well outside of Jim's. Hope someday it will end, but doesn't seem like
it will soon. Like our general society, it only seems to be getting worse.

Whatever.




If you want it to end, you should encourage your good buddy to end it.
It's all coming from him. I don't read his posts, except the few that
sneak in second or third hand.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


If you want it to end, you should encourage your good buddy to end it.
It's all coming from him. I don't read his posts, except the few that
sneak in second or third hand.

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Not my job description man. Besides, how do you resolve the question
of what came first, the chicken or the egg?

On 6/18/13 5:43 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


If you want it to end, you should encourage your good buddy to end it.
It's all coming from him. I don't read his posts, except the few that
sneak in second or third hand.

----------------------------------

Not my job description man. Besides, how do you resolve the question of
what came first, the chicken or the egg?



Well, then, it doesn't make any sense for you to complain about what is
posted here, as you have, right?

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/18/13 5:43 PM, Eisboch wrote:



Not my job description man. Besides, how do you resolve the
question of
what came first, the chicken or the egg?



Well, then, it doesn't make any sense for you to complain about what
is
posted here, as you have, right?

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Who's complaining? I often comment and I might disagree with
something you, Jim or someone else posts, but I don't begrudge your
right to post it.
My only exceptions are as noted in my previous post, over the op
mean spirited, nasty or involving family members or blatant racism.
I also try, not always with 100 percent success, to remain somewhat
civil.

On 6/18/13 6:15 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/18/13 5:43 PM, Eisboch wrote:



Not my job description man. Besides, how do you resolve the question of
what came first, the chicken or the egg?



Well, then, it doesn't make any sense for you to complain about what is
posted here, as you have, right?

---------------------------------------------------

Who's complaining? I often comment and I might disagree with something
you, Jim or someone else posts, but I don't begrudge your right to post it.
My only exceptions are as noted in my previous post, over the op
mean spirited, nasty or involving family members or blatant racism.
I also try, not always with 100 percent success, to remain somewhat civil.




Your boy Flajim has made numerous negative comments about the spouses
and family members of posters here. I'm not trying to argue with you,
but the very sort of behavior you disdain is the very sort of behavior
in which your buddy engages.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/18/13 6:15 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/18/13 5:43 PM, Eisboch wrote:



Not my job description man. Besides, how do you resolve the
question of
what came first, the chicken or the egg?



Well, then, it doesn't make any sense for you to complain about what
is
posted here, as you have, right?

---------------------------------------------------

Who's complaining? I often comment and I might disagree with
something
you, Jim or someone else posts, but I don't begrudge your right to
post it.
My only exceptions are as noted in my previous post, over the
op
mean spirited, nasty or involving family members or blatant racism.
I also try, not always with 100 percent success, to remain somewhat
civil.




Your boy Flajim has made numerous negative comments about the spouses
and family members of posters here. I'm not trying to argue with you,
but the very sort of behavior you disdain is the very sort of behavior
in which your buddy engages.

------------------------------

I don't recall seeing them. I'll watch for them however. It's not
his style.

On 6/18/2013 6:18 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/18/13 6:15 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/18/13 5:43 PM, Eisboch wrote:



Not my job description man. Besides, how do you resolve the question of
what came first, the chicken or the egg?



Well, then, it doesn't make any sense for you to complain about what is
posted here, as you have, right?

---------------------------------------------------

Who's complaining? I often comment and I might disagree with something
you, Jim or someone else posts, but I don't begrudge your right to
post it.
My only exceptions are as noted in my previous post, over the op
mean spirited, nasty or involving family members or blatant racism.
I also try, not always with 100 percent success, to remain somewhat
civil.




Your boy Flajim has made numerous negative comments about the spouses
and family members of posters here. I'm not trying to argue with you,
but the very sort of behavior you disdain is the very sort of behavior
in which your buddy engages.
For such a big guy, you are quite the whiner.

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"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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On 6/18/13 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:



Jim's not like that. He may have different views about things but
he's very secure and quite sane. He's also playing a game of sorts
but I probably shouldn't squeal and spoil his fun.

What with everybody but you ignoring him, looks like his
"game" only entertains him and you.
Sounds like a very small barrel of fun.
Slammer and a buddy of his probably have a similar little
barrel rolling around, propelled by insane and lonely
laughter.
As pretentious, wrong-headed, and often-full-of-**** as
Krause is, he provides most of the entertainment here.
Don't know why some people are "threatened" by that.
But it is what it is. Pretty obvious most still posting
here are enthralled to reacting to Harry, and have
nothing of their own to contribute.
Just has to be "All About Harry." He's easy enough to
deal with politely, or can be ignored like anybody else.
They just can't do that because their screws aren't
properly torqued. Krauses rattles loose screws.
He's an expert at that, and it's him having the fun.
There are exceptions to the Harry-mania of course,
including you, and they are appreciated.
The others need a torque wrench and some Loktite.
Probably won't happen, so the little show will go on,
largely ignored by sane people.

----------------------------------------------

What I object to is the over the top, mean spirited, nasty comments,
often directed at people's wives and/or kids who are nothing but
innocent bystanders in the jousting contests. The other thing I can't
accept is blatant racism. Not a goody two shoes, but I just have
never been able to tolerate that. That's not to say the state of
racial inequality can't be discussed, and recognizing that racism can
go both ways. But calling people the "n" word in frustration just to
emphasize a point is out of bounds, IMO.

I would hope that your outrage at using disparaging words to identify and belittle racial
groups is a two way street.

On 6/18/13 5:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:

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What I object to is the over the top, mean spirited, nasty comments,
often directed at people's wives and/or kids who are nothing but
innocent bystanders in the jousting contests. The other thing I can't
accept is blatant racism. Not a goody two shoes, but I just have never
been able to tolerate that. That's not to say the state of racial
inequality can't be discussed, and recognizing that racism can go both
ways. But calling people the "n" word in frustration just to emphasize
a point is out of bounds, IMO.



Yeah. I don't like being referred to as "white," as if my racial or
ethnic background or skin color were designators of significance.
Besides, I'm not "white," especially in the summer. I still tan up nicely!

My wife and I participated in that National Geo genetic background
thingie a couple of years ago. She's a composite of Northern European
(Irish, German, English and one other I forgot, maybe Welsh), plus a bit
of Cherokee. I'm mostly Russian, Polish, a bit of German, and a bit of
Slavik. I wouldn't mind a bit of Welsh, since I am a big fan of Welsh
accents but, alas, none of my predecessors made it to those Isles.

Richard Burton, the greatest Welsh actor of modern times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLafXKLcPcQ

Or sing like Bryn Terfel, the great Welsh bass-baritone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLb5aqugDH8