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, says...


I recently heard about a proposal in some California location to add a
"gun safety" course to the curriculum in a charter school system.
My knee jerk reaction was that it was a stupid idea but then I thought
about it some more. It seems that school systems in general have had
to take on the responsibility of educating youth in all types of
subjects that are not related directly to academics and that in past
generations were handled by parents. Since firearms and their use are
so prevalent in our society, why shouldn't educating youth on their
dangers and safe handling not be included?


What does "firearms and their use are so prevalent in our
society" mean?
Hope you realize that the great majority of people in the
U.S. never shoot a gun, handle a gun, or hardly ever see
a gun except on the hip of a LEO.
This all sounds like an NRA wet dream to increase gun
sales. Akin to pot-smoking and coke-sniffing drug
dealers thinking it's a good idea to teach proper drug
consumption in school.
I mean, drug use is "so prevalent," right?
Same with sado-masochists. Because they hang with other
sado-masochists they think the world is chock full of
them and it's perfectly normal. Hell, let's put it in the
school curriculum for the kids.
Learn to know when your knee is truthful.


I took driver's education in Connecticut in 1964. One of the
classroom instruction periods was conducted by a trooper from the CT
State Police. He presented a movie (old fashioned projector back
then) with some of the most horrific and gory images of people
dismembered or having sustained horrible injuries or deaths due to car
crashes, mostly due to speeding. I don't remember much of anything
else specifically that was taught in classroom instruction of driver's
ed but the images contained in that presentation remain fresh in my
mind 47 years later.

My conclusion was that as much as some would like, guns are not going
to go away in our society. A little education never hurt anybody.


Same goes for safe "recreational" drug consumption and
safe sado-masochism.
Get some perspective.
You'll find that people who want to live their lives
without guns, "recreational" drugs, and sado-masochism
will just tell you that your idea of teaching what they
consider perversions to their children is plain wacko.
And that's the great majority of people.
Most of whom do drive a car more often than they put on
their pants, so they consider driver's ed valuable.
But the Amish will tell you to shove your driver's ed up
your ass too.

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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In article qbGdnQ3xu8y1aSXMnZ2dnUVZ_t-
, says...


I recently heard about a proposal in some California location to add
a
"gun safety" course to the curriculum in a charter school system.
My knee jerk reaction was that it was a stupid idea but then I
thought
about it some more. It seems that school systems in general have
had
to take on the responsibility of educating youth in all types of
subjects that are not related directly to academics and that in past
generations were handled by parents. Since firearms and their use
are
so prevalent in our society, why shouldn't educating youth on their
dangers and safe handling not be included?


What does "firearms and their use are so prevalent in our
society" mean?
Hope you realize that the great majority of people in the
U.S. never shoot a gun, handle a gun, or hardly ever see
a gun except on the hip of a LEO.
This all sounds like an NRA wet dream to increase gun
sales. Akin to pot-smoking and coke-sniffing drug
dealers thinking it's a good idea to teach proper drug
consumption in school.
I mean, drug use is "so prevalent," right?
Same with sado-masochists. Because they hang with other
sado-masochists they think the world is chock full of
them and it's perfectly normal. Hell, let's put it in the
school curriculum for the kids.
Learn to know when your knee is truthful.


I took driver's education in Connecticut in 1964. One of the
classroom instruction periods was conducted by a trooper from the CT
State Police. He presented a movie (old fashioned projector back
then) with some of the most horrific and gory images of people
dismembered or having sustained horrible injuries or deaths due to
car
crashes, mostly due to speeding. I don't remember much of
anything
else specifically that was taught in classroom instruction of
driver's
ed but the images contained in that presentation remain fresh in my
mind 47 years later.

My conclusion was that as much as some would like, guns are not
going
to go away in our society. A little education never hurt anybody.


Same goes for safe "recreational" drug consumption and
safe sado-masochism.
Get some perspective.
You'll find that people who want to live their lives
without guns, "recreational" drugs, and sado-masochism
will just tell you that your idea of teaching what they
consider perversions to their children is plain wacko.
And that's the great majority of people.
Most of whom do drive a car more often than they put on
their pants, so they consider driver's ed valuable.
But the Amish will tell you to shove your driver's ed up
your ass too.

-----------------------------------

I see. There is rarely a day that goes by without some news
regarding gun control issues or coverage of a gun related accident in
the media. That's what I am referring to in the statement "firearms
and their use are so prevalent in our society"

But it appears your solution is to stick your head in the sand and
pretend it doesn't exist. Apparently in your mind "It doesn't apply
or affect me, so there's no need to be involved in the solution".
Sounds like a typical response of the "Me" generation.

I don't think guns and their ownership by private citizens will ever
be, nor should it ever be prohibited. Like it or not, they are part
of your life, whether you choose to own one or not. So what's wrong
with some general education in the safe handling and dangers
associated with them so people are better informed overall? If the
only input young people receive is in Hollywood movies or some video
game I don't think they are getting a realistic or helpful image of
what firearm ownership is all about.

In article sKudnS4
,
says...


I see. There is rarely a day that goes by without some news
regarding gun control issues or coverage of a gun related accident in
the media. That's what I am referring to in the statement "firearms
and their use are so prevalent in our society"

But it appears your solution is to stick your head in the sand and
pretend it doesn't exist. Apparently in your mind "It doesn't apply
or affect me, so there's no need to be involved in the solution".
Sounds like a typical response of the "Me" generation.


No, guns haven't affected me at all. And I'll do my best
to keep it that way. I'm here saying me and countless
others will resist any attempt to foist guns on our kids
in school in the guise of teaching "gun safety." You can
teach your kids about guns all you want and I couldn't
care less. Or about safe "drug use" for all I care.
If you think me stating MY view about public education is
"sticking my head in the sand" you're not very logical.
Keeping guns from criminals and psychos is an entirely
different issue than foisting guns into public education.
The law part interests me because it's entertaining
hearing all the illogical bull****, lying and hypocrisy.

I don't think guns and their ownership by private citizens will ever
be, nor should it ever be prohibited. Like it or not, they are part
of your life, whether you choose to own one or not.

What the **** did I just tell you!? You hard of hearing?
Guns play NO ****ING ROLE IN MY LIFE. NADA! The only
time I even think about them is when I feel like
discussing them in a forum full of gun nuts. You just
can't understand that I guess. But it's true for me and
for the great majority of people.
IF YOU DON'T OWN A GUN YOU DON'T NEED "GUN SAFETY."
Most people DON'T own a gun, and even fewer kids.
Hey, why don't you suggest "safe fishing" courses for
schools. Makes more sense. Abu-Garcia will love you.

So what's wrong
with some general education in the safe handling and dangers
associated with them so people are better informed overall? If the
only input young people receive is in Hollywood movies or some video
game I don't think they are getting a realistic or helpful image of
what firearm ownership is all about.

What's wrong with it? I don't ****ing want my kids
exposed to guns. THAT'S WHAT WRONG WITH IT. When
they're adults, they can make their own choices.
Take it up with your local school board if you like.
I don't give a **** how many guns you buy, or how you
want to educate your kids.
You're talking about public schooling, and when I express
my view of what's a no-go for my kids, you accuse me of
"head in sand" and "me generation."
Well, thanks for the childish insults. Good luck with the
school board. You'll find plenty like me at the
meetings, but the moms will give you even more hell for
your idea, which your knee correctly informed you was
stupid.
You ain't gonna have any fun at all with it. It's a
bull**** idea only entertained by gun nuts.

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article sKudnS4
,
says...


I see. There is rarely a day that goes by without some news
regarding gun control issues or coverage of a gun related accident
in
the media. That's what I am referring to in the statement
"firearms
and their use are so prevalent in our society"

But it appears your solution is to stick your head in the sand and
pretend it doesn't exist. Apparently in your mind "It doesn't apply
or affect me, so there's no need to be involved in the solution".
Sounds like a typical response of the "Me" generation.


No, guns haven't affected me at all. And I'll do my best
to keep it that way. I'm here saying me and countless
others will resist any attempt to foist guns on our kids
in school in the guise of teaching "gun safety." You can
teach your kids about guns all you want and I couldn't
care less. Or about safe "drug use" for all I care.
If you think me stating MY view about public education is
"sticking my head in the sand" you're not very logical.
Keeping guns from criminals and psychos is an entirely
different issue than foisting guns into public education.
The law part interests me because it's entertaining
hearing all the illogical bull****, lying and hypocrisy.

I don't think guns and their ownership by private citizens will ever
be, nor should it ever be prohibited. Like it or not, they are part
of your life, whether you choose to own one or not.

What the **** did I just tell you!? You hard of hearing?
Guns play NO ****ING ROLE IN MY LIFE. NADA! The only
time I even think about them is when I feel like
discussing them in a forum full of gun nuts. You just
can't understand that I guess. But it's true for me and
for the great majority of people.
IF YOU DON'T OWN A GUN YOU DON'T NEED "GUN SAFETY."
Most people DON'T own a gun, and even fewer kids.
Hey, why don't you suggest "safe fishing" courses for
schools. Makes more sense. Abu-Garcia will love you.

So what's wrong
with some general education in the safe handling and dangers
associated with them so people are better informed overall? If the
only input young people receive is in Hollywood movies or some video
game I don't think they are getting a realistic or helpful image of
what firearm ownership is all about.

What's wrong with it? I don't ****ing want my kids
exposed to guns. THAT'S WHAT WRONG WITH IT. When
they're adults, they can make their own choices.
Take it up with your local school board if you like.
I don't give a **** how many guns you buy, or how you
want to educate your kids.
You're talking about public schooling, and when I express
my view of what's a no-go for my kids, you accuse me of
"head in sand" and "me generation."
Well, thanks for the childish insults. Good luck with the
school board. You'll find plenty like me at the
meetings, but the moms will give you even more hell for
your idea, which your knee correctly informed you was
stupid.
You ain't gonna have any fun at all with it. It's a
bull**** idea only entertained by gun nuts.

-----------------------------------------

Wow. I guess you told me.

I am not advocating gun ownership by anyone who doesn't want one. I
am suggesting a possible positive approach to a problem that might
instill awareness of the serious and potentially dangerous nature of
firearms in young people and maybe generate some respect for them so
if they are exposed to them at a friend's house or somewhere outside
of your personal control, they will have some knowledge. Apparently
your solution to this problem is to pretend the issue doesn't exist,
as evidenced by your shout, "IF YOU DON'T OWN A GUN YOU DON'T NEED
"GUN SAFETY".

The rest of your rants are almost comical if they weren't so misguided
and sad.

On 6/14/2013 8:51 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article sKudnS4
,
says...


I see. There is rarely a day that goes by without some news
regarding gun control issues or coverage of a gun related accident in
the media. That's what I am referring to in the statement "firearms
and their use are so prevalent in our society"

But it appears your solution is to stick your head in the sand and
pretend it doesn't exist. Apparently in your mind "It doesn't apply
or affect me, so there's no need to be involved in the solution".
Sounds like a typical response of the "Me" generation.


No, guns haven't affected me at all. And I'll do my best
to keep it that way. I'm here saying me and countless
others will resist any attempt to foist guns on our kids
in school in the guise of teaching "gun safety." You can
teach your kids about guns all you want and I couldn't
care less. Or about safe "drug use" for all I care.
If you think me stating MY view about public education is
"sticking my head in the sand" you're not very logical.
Keeping guns from criminals and psychos is an entirely
different issue than foisting guns into public education.
The law part interests me because it's entertaining
hearing all the illogical bull****, lying and hypocrisy.

I don't think guns and their ownership by private citizens will ever
be, nor should it ever be prohibited. Like it or not, they are part
of your life, whether you choose to own one or not.

What the **** did I just tell you!? You hard of hearing?
Guns play NO ****ING ROLE IN MY LIFE. NADA! The only
time I even think about them is when I feel like
discussing them in a forum full of gun nuts. You just
can't understand that I guess. But it's true for me and
for the great majority of people.
IF YOU DON'T OWN A GUN YOU DON'T NEED "GUN SAFETY."
Most people DON'T own a gun, and even fewer kids.
Hey, why don't you suggest "safe fishing" courses for
schools. Makes more sense. Abu-Garcia will love you.

So what's wrong
with some general education in the safe handling and dangers
associated with them so people are better informed overall? If the
only input young people receive is in Hollywood movies or some video
game I don't think they are getting a realistic or helpful image of
what firearm ownership is all about.

What's wrong with it? I don't ****ing want my kids
exposed to guns. THAT'S WHAT WRONG WITH IT. When
they're adults, they can make their own choices.

So, you are for parental control of what gets taught in the school
system as long as it goes along with your own particular point of view?
I get it..

In article ,
says...


So, you are for parental control of what gets taught in the school
system as long as it goes along with your own particular point of view?

Yup. And so far I'm getting my way, because my views are
mainstream.

I get it..

Indeed, you do.

In article ,
says...

On 6/14/2013 8:51 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article sKudnS4
,
says...


I see. There is rarely a day that goes by without some news
regarding gun control issues or coverage of a gun related accident in
the media. That's what I am referring to in the statement "firearms
and their use are so prevalent in our society"

But it appears your solution is to stick your head in the sand and
pretend it doesn't exist. Apparently in your mind "It doesn't apply
or affect me, so there's no need to be involved in the solution".
Sounds like a typical response of the "Me" generation.


No, guns haven't affected me at all. And I'll do my best
to keep it that way. I'm here saying me and countless
others will resist any attempt to foist guns on our kids
in school in the guise of teaching "gun safety." You can
teach your kids about guns all you want and I couldn't
care less. Or about safe "drug use" for all I care.
If you think me stating MY view about public education is
"sticking my head in the sand" you're not very logical.
Keeping guns from criminals and psychos is an entirely
different issue than foisting guns into public education.
The law part interests me because it's entertaining
hearing all the illogical bull****, lying and hypocrisy.

I don't think guns and their ownership by private citizens will ever
be, nor should it ever be prohibited. Like it or not, they are part
of your life, whether you choose to own one or not.

What the **** did I just tell you!? You hard of hearing?
Guns play NO ****ING ROLE IN MY LIFE. NADA! The only
time I even think about them is when I feel like
discussing them in a forum full of gun nuts. You just
can't understand that I guess. But it's true for me and
for the great majority of people.
IF YOU DON'T OWN A GUN YOU DON'T NEED "GUN SAFETY."
Most people DON'T own a gun, and even fewer kids.
Hey, why don't you suggest "safe fishing" courses for
schools. Makes more sense. Abu-Garcia will love you.

So what's wrong
with some general education in the safe handling and dangers
associated with them so people are better informed overall? If the
only input young people receive is in Hollywood movies or some video
game I don't think they are getting a realistic or helpful image of
what firearm ownership is all about.

What's wrong with it? I don't ****ing want my kids
exposed to guns. THAT'S WHAT WRONG WITH IT. When
they're adults, they can make their own choices.

So, you are for parental control of what gets taught in the school
system as long as it goes along with your own particular point of view?
I get it..

They expose kids to guns in school????

In article ,
says...


I can't figure out if you are a Bible thumping Christian hating any
sexual mores or recreational drugs that you don't find appropriate to
you or a left wing-nut gun-hater. Either way, you are just wrong.


Wrong about what? Saying "you're wrong" means nothing.
If you think "gun safety' should be taught in public
school, go for it. Get it taught in your locality.
Otherwise you may as well just shut your trap about me
being "wrong." Get the "gun safety" course taught.
Until then, you're the one who is wrong.
I'll always be right because I won't tolerate it wherever
I live.
What's really funny is I have no problem with legal gun
ownership. Live and let live.
But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed
to guns, despite my wishes.
**** them and the horse they rode in on. Ain't gonna
happen.

On 6/14/2013 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


I can't figure out if you are a Bible thumping Christian hating any
sexual mores or recreational drugs that you don't find appropriate to
you or a left wing-nut gun-hater. Either way, you are just wrong.


Wrong about what? Saying "you're wrong" means nothing.
If you think "gun safety' should be taught in public
school, go for it. Get it taught in your locality.
Otherwise you may as well just shut your trap about me
being "wrong." Get the "gun safety" course taught.
Until then, you're the one who is wrong.
I'll always be right because I won't tolerate it wherever
I live.
What's really funny is I have no problem with legal gun
ownership. Live and let live.
But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed
to guns, despite my wishes.
**** them and the horse they rode in on. Ain't gonna
happen.


You two need to sort out your differences. May I suggest a duel?

On Friday, June 14, 2013 9:14:41 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:


But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed
to guns, despite my wishes.
Ain't gonna happen.

The fallacy in your views is that they are already exposed to guns. They are in the movies they watch, the video games they play, and the society they live in. Even the evening news. They are all loaded with images of guns being used the wrong way. If you think you are keeping them safe by pretending they don't exist, well, you're wrong. Hope it doesn't cost them.