On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any
other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school?

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Like what for example?

For the past 7 or 8 years we have had to review, our childrens, daily
lessons in school to
find out what they are being taught in public school. We live in the
People's Repiblic of
Montgomery County in the Democratic Republic of Maryland. We have found
that the teachers put
their own political views and biases into their interactions with their
students on a daily
basis. When my oldest went off to college I told here that her primary
goal is to get a
degree and that arguing with the professors about their professors
political positions and
biases is a losing proposition. She soon learnd which professors are the
leftists who are
just interested in creating more party line spouting leftists.

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That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the
teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official
curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters
in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or
her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material
there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense.

Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers,
cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results,
then you can come spout off as to what you would do....

College is a little different. I think we all were subjected to both
left and right views. I think by the time you are in college you should
be able to think for yourself and accept or reject influences by the
professors. Makes you think.

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:



That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the
teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's
official
curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had
youngsters
in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or
her political agenda instead of covering the approved course
material
there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense.

Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers,
cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no
results,
then you can come spout off as to what you would do....


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Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher
was using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto
young kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's
administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem to
imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that ....
with complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers,
cops, and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction.

Why do I suspect this is BS?

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"BAR" wrote in message
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"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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Take a deep breath and relax.

Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone
else's.
There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement
personnel who would be more than willing to make safety
presentations
at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not
to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun.
It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe
handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as
a
special event, much like field trips, in which participation is
voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to
attend.

They advocated and force sex educaiton classes on each of our dimes.

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There has been some form of sex education in schools since I was in
junior high school .... and that's a long time ago.

High schools used to have rifle shooting teams. They have never had ****ing teams, to the
best of my knowledge.

I think gun safety is a little more controversial and I can see why
some people would object. There's obviously much debate going on
about what to do to reduce the number of accidental deaths and
injuries with strong feelings across the board regarding the subject.
All I was doing was putting an idea on the table for discussion since
so many are frustrated that nothing is being done and the only answer
to some is to ban guns altogether. That's not going to happen anytime
in the near or distant future, so we should be talking about what
*can* be done that does not impose hardships on anyone or take away
their right to gun ownership.

People use to get run over and killed by horse horse drawn chariots.

People who want to do harm to others are going to do harm to others with whatever tool is
convienent at the time. That tool may be a gun, a stick, a frying pan or someother implement.

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On Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:50:02 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article 4aff18db-aea9-4494-b9fd-

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On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:

In article eeda19dc-87fa-4f85-90d1-0165d63eed91



@googlegroups.com, says...











Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns.



I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most



"back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere



close to as prevalent.





What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population.





Nah, it works for the majority.



Ah, OK. So for the majority, guns are not a problem, and so they don't need to be regulated or banned. Sounds good.



Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already

regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for

them.

You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them?

So maybe we should just do away with every law, eh?

It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself.

Adults can't be taught?

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On 6/16/2013 8:17 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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In article be98ef1d-78b5-4422-9810-4de11b3642d5
@googlegroups.com, says...

Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already

regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for

them.

You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more
laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's
one more law to them?

It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to
teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you
"children" are actually adults.
Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt,
other than to promote your particular political agenda.
You should probably let people that actually have kids
decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of
the world like yourself.

Have a nice day.

You still don't get it. The majority are happy enough
with current gun regulations/bans. Otherwise there will
be more regulations/bans, not less. That's been the
course of history, more regulations and bans, with some
exceptions in some states. It's not been teaching "gun
safety" in public schools. Since you seem to be a gun
nut worried about criminals, and want all children taught
"gun safety" in public schools, I'll tell you what I told
the others.
You want "gun safety" safety courses taught in public
schools, then ****ing work for it. Good luck.
In the meantime, I don't give a **** if you mortgage your
house to lawfully load it up with guns to defend yourself
against criminals. None of my business.
Nobody's stopping you, and I couldn't care less how you
defend your little castle.
I have grandkids in public schools, and my children feel
the same way about this for their kids. So that argument
doesn't work, unless you say I shouldn't care about kin.
Now, I've got no problem with anybody taking their
youngsters to the range or woods and teaching them
whatever they want about guns.
Why are you gun nuts asking taxpayers to shoulder your
responsibility in training your kids skills the majority
of people feel are unnecessary or undesirable for their
kids?
That's what I've noticed about gun nuts. Always wanting
to tell other people how their lives should be conducted
around guns.
They're always right. They just can't ken to the fact
that the majority of people have nothing to do with guns.
Here I am saying I'm fine with them legally loading up
with all the guns they want. That's not enough for them.
They want to tell others how to raise their kids.
Now there's plenty of gun-owners who don't do this, and
just go about their business.
Then you got your gun nuts.
Saying I have a "political agenda." Thinking that "gun
safety" classes in public schools hasn't already been
decided, and what they think is right should just be
implemented despite majority opposition. Saying my very
real and fairly long life has been "unrealistic" despite
it working out just fine.
Go figure.

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Take a deep breath and relax.

Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's.
There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement
personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at
a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to
teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to
educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling
should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special
event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and
with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend.

Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any
other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school?

Yeah, who do those damned educators think they are, trying to educate
your kid?

On 6/17/2013 4:20 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:



That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the
teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official
curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters
in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or
her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material
there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense.

Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers,
cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results,
then you can come spout off as to what you would do....


-----------------------------------------

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher was
using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto young
kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's
administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem to
imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that .... with
complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers, cops,
and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction.

Why do I suspect this is BS?



Because it's me saying it and you can't stand being corrected....

In article ,
says...

On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

In article ,
says...

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...


Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any
other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school?

--------------------------------------

Like what for example?

For the past 7 or 8 years we have had to review, our childrens, daily
lessons in school to
find out what they are being taught in public school. We live in the
People's Repiblic of
Montgomery County in the Democratic Republic of Maryland. We have found
that the teachers put
their own political views and biases into their interactions with their
students on a daily
basis. When my oldest went off to college I told here that her primary
goal is to get a
degree and that arguing with the professors about their professors
political positions and
biases is a losing proposition. She soon learnd which professors are the
leftists who are
just interested in creating more party line spouting leftists.

-----------------------------------------------

That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the
teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official
curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters
in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or
her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material
there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense.

Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers,
cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results,
then you can come spout off as to what you would do....

About WHAT? Eisboch asked for specific examples, and thus far all you
have given is FOX rhetoric.

In article , says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...


Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any
other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school?

--------------------------------------

Like what for example?

For the past 7 or 8 years we have had to review, our childrens, daily
lessons in school to
find out what they are being taught in public school. We live in the
People's Repiblic of
Montgomery County in the Democratic Republic of Maryland. We have
found that the teachers put
their own political views and biases into their interactions with
their students on a daily
basis. When my oldest went off to college I told here that her primary
goal is to get a
degree and that arguing with the professors about their professors
political positions and
biases is a losing proposition. She soon learnd which professors are
the leftists who are
just interested in creating more party line spouting leftists.

-----------------------------------------------

That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the
teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's
official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had
youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was
pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved
course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop
that nonsense.

The Montgomery County Maryland school system has been on the decline for the past 20 years.
It used to be that the Fairfax County Virginia and Montgomery County Maryland were the two
richest counties in the country. The most recent rankings I saw had Fairfax county still in
the top 3 and Montgomery dropping to the mid teens, 15 I believe.

Why is Montgomery County Maryland declining? It has to be the liberal bias and feel good
nature of what they teach.

My eldest daughter went to Poolesvill High School. It is a magnent school and it has 74% of
the sutdents on the honor roll. Read the letter below from teachers at that school.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...many-kids-are-
flunking-final-exams-in-montgomery-county/

College is a little different. I think we all were subjected to both
left and right views. I think by the time you are in college you
should be able to think for yourself and accept or reject influences
by the professors. Makes you think.

Luckily my daughter is able to spot the biases and political leanings in her professors and
she is able to learn around them. My daughter made the dean's list in each of her first two
semesters. She is working the system.

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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On 6/17/2013 4:20 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:



That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the
teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's
official
curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had
youngsters
in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his
or
her political agenda instead of covering the approved course
material
there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense.

Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children,
lawyers,
cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no
results,
then you can come spout off as to what you would do....


-----------------------------------------

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher
was
using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto
young
kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's
administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem
to
imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that ....
with
complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers,
cops,
and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction.

Why do I suspect this is BS?



Because it's me saying it and you can't stand being corrected....

---------------------------------------------

I am often corrected when wrong and I can acknowledge that. Done it
many times here.

I just don't believe your claims. Either that or your accusations
regarding the teacher involved were groundless.

On 6/17/2013 8:48 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 6/17/2013 4:20 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:



That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the
teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official
curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters
in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or
her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material
there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense.

Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers,
cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results,
then you can come spout off as to what you would do....


-----------------------------------------

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher was
using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto young
kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's
administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem to
imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that .... with
complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers, cops,
and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction.

Why do I suspect this is BS?



Because it's me saying it and you can't stand being corrected....

---------------------------------------------

I am often corrected when wrong and I can acknowledge that. Done it
many times here.

I just don't believe your claims. Either that or your accusations
regarding the teacher involved were groundless.



Several years ago when I went through it all, it was well documented
here... Take it for what it's worth. "You" are not going to go into the
school and change anybody...