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On Friday, June 14, 2013 9:14:41 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed to guns, despite my wishes. Ain't gonna happen. The fallacy in your views is that they are already exposed to guns. They are in the movies they watch, the video games they play, and the society they live in. Even the evening news. They are all loaded with images of guns being used the wrong way. If you think you are keeping them safe by pretending they don't exist, well, you're wrong. Hope it doesn't cost them. |
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On 6/14/2013 8:51 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article sKudnS4 , says... I see. There is rarely a day that goes by without some news regarding gun control issues or coverage of a gun related accident in the media. That's what I am referring to in the statement "firearms and their use are so prevalent in our society" But it appears your solution is to stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Apparently in your mind "It doesn't apply or affect me, so there's no need to be involved in the solution". Sounds like a typical response of the "Me" generation. No, guns haven't affected me at all. And I'll do my best to keep it that way. I'm here saying me and countless others will resist any attempt to foist guns on our kids in school in the guise of teaching "gun safety." You can teach your kids about guns all you want and I couldn't care less. Or about safe "drug use" for all I care. If you think me stating MY view about public education is "sticking my head in the sand" you're not very logical. Keeping guns from criminals and psychos is an entirely different issue than foisting guns into public education. The law part interests me because it's entertaining hearing all the illogical bull****, lying and hypocrisy. I don't think guns and their ownership by private citizens will ever be, nor should it ever be prohibited. Like it or not, they are part of your life, whether you choose to own one or not. What the **** did I just tell you!? You hard of hearing? Guns play NO ****ING ROLE IN MY LIFE. NADA! The only time I even think about them is when I feel like discussing them in a forum full of gun nuts. You just can't understand that I guess. But it's true for me and for the great majority of people. IF YOU DON'T OWN A GUN YOU DON'T NEED "GUN SAFETY." Most people DON'T own a gun, and even fewer kids. Hey, why don't you suggest "safe fishing" courses for schools. Makes more sense. Abu-Garcia will love you. So what's wrong with some general education in the safe handling and dangers associated with them so people are better informed overall? If the only input young people receive is in Hollywood movies or some video game I don't think they are getting a realistic or helpful image of what firearm ownership is all about. What's wrong with it? I don't ****ing want my kids exposed to guns. THAT'S WHAT WRONG WITH IT. When they're adults, they can make their own choices. So, you are for parental control of what gets taught in the school system as long as it goes along with your own particular point of view? I get it.. |
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, says... On Friday, June 14, 2013 9:14:41 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed to guns, despite my wishes. Ain't gonna happen. The fallacy in your views is that they are already exposed to guns. They are in the movies they watch, the video games they play, and the society they live in. Even the evening news. They are all loaded with images of guns being used the wrong way. If you think you are keeping them safe by pretending they don't exist, well, you're wrong. Hope it doesn't cost them. You seem to think that TV/movie/video-game guns are real. They're not. Or that I didn't tell my kids if they ever saw a "real" gun except on the hip of a LEO, run away and report to me. Well, I did, and they never reported seeing a gun. Not one god damned time. They're adults now, and one of them even has a gun all for himself. No "gun safety" class is ever going to prevent some mother****er from shooting somebody. It'll just make kids think guns can be "safe." They're not. I suspect you know that already. Guns are for adults. If you want to teach your kids "gun safety," go for it. I'll decide what my kids get taught. Don't need gun nuts telling me how to do that, and I'm not telling them how to teach their kids. |
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"Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article f0490a4a-a4df-4c71-bbcd- , says... On Friday, June 14, 2013 9:14:41 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed to guns, despite my wishes. Ain't gonna happen. The fallacy in your views is that they are already exposed to guns. They are in the movies they watch, the video games they play, and the society they live in. Even the evening news. They are all loaded with images of guns being used the wrong way. If you think you are keeping them safe by pretending they don't exist, well, you're wrong. Hope it doesn't cost them. You seem to think that TV/movie/video-game guns are real. They're not. Or that I didn't tell my kids if they ever saw a "real" gun except on the hip of a LEO, run away and report to me. Well, I did, and they never reported seeing a gun. Not one god damned time. They're adults now, and one of them even has a gun all for himself. No "gun safety" class is ever going to prevent some mother****er from shooting somebody. It'll just make kids think guns can be "safe." They're not. I suspect you know that already. Guns are for adults. If you want to teach your kids "gun safety," go for it. I'll decide what my kids get taught. Don't need gun nuts telling me how to do that, and I'm not telling them how to teach their kids. ----------------------------------------------- You strike me as being the type of angry person who should never, ever consider owning a gun. |
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On Friday, June 14, 2013 10:02:16 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article f0490a4a-a4df-4c71-bbcd- , says... On Friday, June 14, 2013 9:14:41 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed to guns, despite my wishes. Ain't gonna happen. The fallacy in your views is that they are already exposed to guns. They are in the movies they watch, the video games they play, and the society they live in. Even the evening news. They are all loaded with images of guns being used the wrong way. If you think you are keeping them safe by pretending they don't exist, well, you're wrong. Hope it doesn't cost them. You seem to think that TV/movie/video-game guns are real. They're not. Or that I didn't tell my kids if they ever saw a "real" gun except on the hip of a LEO, run away and report to me. Well, I did, and they never reported seeing a gun. Not one god damned time. They're adults now, and one of them even has a gun all for himself. No "gun safety" class is ever going to prevent some mother****er from shooting somebody. It'll just make kids think guns can be "safe." They're not. I suspect you know that already. Guns are for adults. If you want to teach your kids "gun safety," go for it. I'll decide what my kids get taught. Don't need gun nuts telling me how to do that, and I'm not telling them how to teach their kids. Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns. I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most "back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere close to as prevalent. What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population. |
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"Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article f0490a4a-a4df-4c71-bbcd- , says... On Friday, June 14, 2013 9:14:41 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: But gun nuts want to dictate that my children be exposed to guns, despite my wishes. Ain't gonna happen. The fallacy in your views is that they are already exposed to guns. They are in the movies they watch, the video games they play, and the society they live in. Even the evening news. They are all loaded with images of guns being used the wrong way. If you think you are keeping them safe by pretending they don't exist, well, you're wrong. Hope it doesn't cost them. You seem to think that TV/movie/video-game guns are real. They're not. Or that I didn't tell my kids if they ever saw a "real" gun except on the hip of a LEO, run away and report to me. Well, I did, and they never reported seeing a gun. Not one god damned time. They're adults now, and one of them even has a gun all for himself. No "gun safety" class is ever going to prevent some mother****er from shooting somebody. It'll just make kids think guns can be "safe." They're not. I suspect you know that already. Guns are for adults. If you want to teach your kids "gun safety," go for it. I'll decide what my kids get taught. Don't need gun nuts telling me how to do that, and I'm not telling them how to teach their kids. ----------------------------------------------- You strike me as being the type of angry person who should never, ever consider owning a gun. Or a knife. Or a baseball bat. Or a frying pan. Or a ... the list goes on. |
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says... On 6/14/2013 8:51 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article sKudnS4 , says... I see. There is rarely a day that goes by without some news regarding gun control issues or coverage of a gun related accident in the media. That's what I am referring to in the statement "firearms and their use are so prevalent in our society" But it appears your solution is to stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Apparently in your mind "It doesn't apply or affect me, so there's no need to be involved in the solution". Sounds like a typical response of the "Me" generation. No, guns haven't affected me at all. And I'll do my best to keep it that way. I'm here saying me and countless others will resist any attempt to foist guns on our kids in school in the guise of teaching "gun safety." You can teach your kids about guns all you want and I couldn't care less. Or about safe "drug use" for all I care. If you think me stating MY view about public education is "sticking my head in the sand" you're not very logical. Keeping guns from criminals and psychos is an entirely different issue than foisting guns into public education. The law part interests me because it's entertaining hearing all the illogical bull****, lying and hypocrisy. I don't think guns and their ownership by private citizens will ever be, nor should it ever be prohibited. Like it or not, they are part of your life, whether you choose to own one or not. What the **** did I just tell you!? You hard of hearing? Guns play NO ****ING ROLE IN MY LIFE. NADA! The only time I even think about them is when I feel like discussing them in a forum full of gun nuts. You just can't understand that I guess. But it's true for me and for the great majority of people. IF YOU DON'T OWN A GUN YOU DON'T NEED "GUN SAFETY." Most people DON'T own a gun, and even fewer kids. Hey, why don't you suggest "safe fishing" courses for schools. Makes more sense. Abu-Garcia will love you. So what's wrong with some general education in the safe handling and dangers associated with them so people are better informed overall? If the only input young people receive is in Hollywood movies or some video game I don't think they are getting a realistic or helpful image of what firearm ownership is all about. What's wrong with it? I don't ****ing want my kids exposed to guns. THAT'S WHAT WRONG WITH IT. When they're adults, they can make their own choices. So, you are for parental control of what gets taught in the school system as long as it goes along with your own particular point of view? I get it.. They expose kids to guns in school???? |
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On 6/15/13 6:07 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
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On 6/15/2013 6:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/15/13 6:07 PM, Boating All Out wrote: And hunters kill hunters every season, and always have. Payback is a bitch. So, I see the left is firmly back to straight out name calling and political trolling... Wondered how long it would last... Great. It was nice for about a week.. |
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On 6/15/13 6:30 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/15/2013 6:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/15/13 6:07 PM, Boating All Out wrote: And hunters kill hunters every season, and always have. Payback is a bitch. So, I see the left is firmly back to straight out name calling and political trolling... Wondered how long it would last... Great. It was nice for about a week.. Where in my post you just referenced do you see name calling or political trolling? There's nothing political about my disdain for "hunters" |
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On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article eeda19dc-87fa-4f85-90d1-0165d63eed91 @googlegroups.com, says... Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns. I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most "back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere close to as prevalent. What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population. Nah, it works for the majority. Ah, OK. So for the majority, guns are not a problem, and so they don't need to be regulated or banned. Sounds good. |
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On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article eeda19dc-87fa-4f85-90d1-0165d63eed91 @googlegroups.com, says... Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns. I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most "back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere close to as prevalent. What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population. Nah, it works for the majority. Ah, OK. So for the majority, guns are not a problem, and so they don't need to be regulated or banned. Sounds good. One of the most liberal and heavily taxed states is big into regulating and banning guns. That state doesn't seem to have a lack of gun crimes, violence, or accidents to show for it's big brother M O. |
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says... On 6/15/2013 11:49 PM, wrote: On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article eeda19dc-87fa-4f85-90d1-0165d63eed91 @googlegroups.com, says... Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns. I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most "back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere close to as prevalent. What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population. Nah, it works for the majority. Ah, OK. So for the majority, guns are not a problem, and so they don't need to be regulated or banned. Sounds good. One of the most liberal and heavily taxed states is big into regulating and banning guns. That state doesn't seem to have a lack of gun crimes, violence, or accidents to show for it's big brother M O. Because illegal guns are too easy to come by. Most gun crimes are committed using guns that were illegally gotten. |
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, says... On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article eeda19dc-87fa-4f85-90d1-0165d63eed91 @googlegroups.com, says... Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns. I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most "back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere close to as prevalent. What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population. Nah, it works for the majority. Ah, OK. So for the majority, guns are not a problem, and so they don't need to be regulated or banned. Sounds good. Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. |
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On Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:50:02 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article 4aff18db-aea9-4494-b9fd- , says... On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article eeda19dc-87fa-4f85-90d1-0165d63eed91 @googlegroups.com, says... Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns. I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most "back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere close to as prevalent. What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population. Nah, it works for the majority. Ah, OK. So for the majority, guns are not a problem, and so they don't need to be regulated or banned. Sounds good. Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them? It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself. Have a nice day. |
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"Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article be98ef1d-78b5-4422-9810-4de11b3642d5 @googlegroups.com, says... Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them? It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself. Have a nice day. You still don't get it. The majority are happy enough with current gun regulations/bans. Otherwise there will be more regulations/bans, not less. That's been the course of history, more regulations and bans, with some exceptions in some states. It's not been teaching "gun safety" in public schools. Since you seem to be a gun nut worried about criminals, and want all children taught "gun safety" in public schools, I'll tell you what I told the others. You want "gun safety" safety courses taught in public schools, then ****ing work for it. Good luck. In the meantime, I don't give a **** if you mortgage your house to lawfully load it up with guns to defend yourself against criminals. None of my business. Nobody's stopping you, and I couldn't care less how you defend your little castle. I have grandkids in public schools, and my children feel the same way about this for their kids. So that argument doesn't work, unless you say I shouldn't care about kin. Now, I've got no problem with anybody taking their youngsters to the range or woods and teaching them whatever they want about guns. Why are you gun nuts asking taxpayers to shoulder your responsibility in training your kids skills the majority of people feel are unnecessary or undesirable for their kids? That's what I've noticed about gun nuts. Always wanting to tell other people how their lives should be conducted around guns. They're always right. They just can't ken to the fact that the majority of people have nothing to do with guns. Here I am saying I'm fine with them legally loading up with all the guns they want. That's not enough for them. They want to tell others how to raise their kids. Now there's plenty of gun-owners who don't do this, and just go about their business. Then you got your gun nuts. Saying I have a "political agenda." Thinking that "gun safety" classes in public schools hasn't already been decided, and what they think is right should just be implemented despite majority opposition. Saying my very real and fairly long life has been "unrealistic" despite it working out just fine. Go figure. ------------------------------------ Take a deep breath and relax. Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's. There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend. They advocated and force sex educaiton classes on each of our dimes. |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2013 8:17 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article be98ef1d-78b5-4422-9810-4de11b3642d5 @googlegroups.com, says... Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them? It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself. Have a nice day. You still don't get it. The majority are happy enough with current gun regulations/bans. Otherwise there will be more regulations/bans, not less. That's been the course of history, more regulations and bans, with some exceptions in some states. It's not been teaching "gun safety" in public schools. Since you seem to be a gun nut worried about criminals, and want all children taught "gun safety" in public schools, I'll tell you what I told the others. You want "gun safety" safety courses taught in public schools, then ****ing work for it. Good luck. In the meantime, I don't give a **** if you mortgage your house to lawfully load it up with guns to defend yourself against criminals. None of my business. Nobody's stopping you, and I couldn't care less how you defend your little castle. I have grandkids in public schools, and my children feel the same way about this for their kids. So that argument doesn't work, unless you say I shouldn't care about kin. Now, I've got no problem with anybody taking their youngsters to the range or woods and teaching them whatever they want about guns. Why are you gun nuts asking taxpayers to shoulder your responsibility in training your kids skills the majority of people feel are unnecessary or undesirable for their kids? That's what I've noticed about gun nuts. Always wanting to tell other people how their lives should be conducted around guns. They're always right. They just can't ken to the fact that the majority of people have nothing to do with guns. Here I am saying I'm fine with them legally loading up with all the guns they want. That's not enough for them. They want to tell others how to raise their kids. Now there's plenty of gun-owners who don't do this, and just go about their business. Then you got your gun nuts. Saying I have a "political agenda." Thinking that "gun safety" classes in public schools hasn't already been decided, and what they think is right should just be implemented despite majority opposition. Saying my very real and fairly long life has been "unrealistic" despite it working out just fine. Go figure. ------------------------------------ Take a deep breath and relax. Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's. There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend. Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school? -------------------------------------- Like what for example? |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2013 8:17 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article be98ef1d-78b5-4422-9810-4de11b3642d5 @googlegroups.com, says... Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them? It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself. Have a nice day. You still don't get it. The majority are happy enough with current gun regulations/bans. Otherwise there will be more regulations/bans, not less. That's been the course of history, more regulations and bans, with some exceptions in some states. It's not been teaching "gun safety" in public schools. Since you seem to be a gun nut worried about criminals, and want all children taught "gun safety" in public schools, I'll tell you what I told the others. You want "gun safety" safety courses taught in public schools, then ****ing work for it. Good luck. In the meantime, I don't give a **** if you mortgage your house to lawfully load it up with guns to defend yourself against criminals. None of my business. Nobody's stopping you, and I couldn't care less how you defend your little castle. I have grandkids in public schools, and my children feel the same way about this for their kids. So that argument doesn't work, unless you say I shouldn't care about kin. Now, I've got no problem with anybody taking their youngsters to the range or woods and teaching them whatever they want about guns. Why are you gun nuts asking taxpayers to shoulder your responsibility in training your kids skills the majority of people feel are unnecessary or undesirable for their kids? That's what I've noticed about gun nuts. Always wanting to tell other people how their lives should be conducted around guns. They're always right. They just can't ken to the fact that the majority of people have nothing to do with guns. Here I am saying I'm fine with them legally loading up with all the guns they want. That's not enough for them. They want to tell others how to raise their kids. Now there's plenty of gun-owners who don't do this, and just go about their business. Then you got your gun nuts. Saying I have a "political agenda." Thinking that "gun safety" classes in public schools hasn't already been decided, and what they think is right should just be implemented despite majority opposition. Saying my very real and fairly long life has been "unrealistic" despite it working out just fine. Go figure. ------------------------------------ Take a deep breath and relax. Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's. There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend. Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school? -------------------------------------- Like what for example? For the past 7 or 8 years we have had to review, our childrens, daily lessons in school to find out what they are being taught in public school. We live in the People's Repiblic of Montgomery County in the Democratic Republic of Maryland. We have found that the teachers put their own political views and biases into their interactions with their students on a daily basis. When my oldest went off to college I told here that her primary goal is to get a degree and that arguing with the professors about their professors political positions and biases is a losing proposition. She soon learnd which professors are the leftists who are just interested in creating more party line spouting leftists. |
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, says... Take a deep breath and relax. Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's. There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend. I have no problem with what other people do voluntarily. But good luck with persuading most parents to expose their kids to a "gun safety" class. This is the first thing they'll see when they ponder it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY One of your LEO guys. They'll never allow this in a public school classroom full of kiddies. And I don't get what you mean by "safe handling should they come in the presence of one." That's hands on. Like this LEO with his "unloaded" gun. Oh, really? But if anybody wants to send their kid to a class like this, I have no problem with it as long as it's at the parents discretion. If I was a gun man who wanted my kids to be gun kiddies, I'd want to teach them "handling" myself, and I'd NEVER trust strangers to do it. Don't care if others choose differently. |
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On 6/16/2013 9:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2013 8:17 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article be98ef1d-78b5-4422-9810-4de11b3642d5 @googlegroups.com, says... Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them? It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself. Have a nice day. You still don't get it. The majority are happy enough with current gun regulations/bans. Otherwise there will be more regulations/bans, not less. That's been the course of history, more regulations and bans, with some exceptions in some states. It's not been teaching "gun safety" in public schools. Since you seem to be a gun nut worried about criminals, and want all children taught "gun safety" in public schools, I'll tell you what I told the others. You want "gun safety" safety courses taught in public schools, then ****ing work for it. Good luck. In the meantime, I don't give a **** if you mortgage your house to lawfully load it up with guns to defend yourself against criminals. None of my business. Nobody's stopping you, and I couldn't care less how you defend your little castle. I have grandkids in public schools, and my children feel the same way about this for their kids. So that argument doesn't work, unless you say I shouldn't care about kin. Now, I've got no problem with anybody taking their youngsters to the range or woods and teaching them whatever they want about guns. Why are you gun nuts asking taxpayers to shoulder your responsibility in training your kids skills the majority of people feel are unnecessary or undesirable for their kids? That's what I've noticed about gun nuts. Always wanting to tell other people how their lives should be conducted around guns. They're always right. They just can't ken to the fact that the majority of people have nothing to do with guns. Here I am saying I'm fine with them legally loading up with all the guns they want. That's not enough for them. They want to tell others how to raise their kids. Now there's plenty of gun-owners who don't do this, and just go about their business. Then you got your gun nuts. Saying I have a "political agenda." Thinking that "gun safety" classes in public schools hasn't already been decided, and what they think is right should just be implemented despite majority opposition. Saying my very real and fairly long life has been "unrealistic" despite it working out just fine. Go figure. ------------------------------------ Take a deep breath and relax. Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's. There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend. Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school? -------------------------------------- Like what for example? Come back when you have been paying attention...:) |
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On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school? -------------------------------------- Like what for example? For the past 7 or 8 years we have had to review, our childrens, daily lessons in school to find out what they are being taught in public school. We live in the People's Repiblic of Montgomery County in the Democratic Republic of Maryland. We have found that the teachers put their own political views and biases into their interactions with their students on a daily basis. When my oldest went off to college I told here that her primary goal is to get a degree and that arguing with the professors about their professors political positions and biases is a losing proposition. She soon learnd which professors are the leftists who are just interested in creating more party line spouting leftists. ----------------------------------------------- That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense. Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers, cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results, then you can come spout off as to what you would do.... College is a little different. I think we all were subjected to both left and right views. I think by the time you are in college you should be able to think for yourself and accept or reject influences by the professors. Makes you think. |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense. Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers, cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results, then you can come spout off as to what you would do.... ----------------------------------------- Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher was using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto young kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem to imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that .... with complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers, cops, and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction. Why do I suspect this is BS? |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "Boating All Out" wrote in message ... (rant snipped for brevity) ------------------------------------ Take a deep breath and relax. Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's. There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend. They advocated and force sex educaiton classes on each of our dimes. ------------------------------------------------------- There has been some form of sex education in schools since I was in junior high school .... and that's a long time ago. High schools used to have rifle shooting teams. They have never had ****ing teams, to the best of my knowledge. I think gun safety is a little more controversial and I can see why some people would object. There's obviously much debate going on about what to do to reduce the number of accidental deaths and injuries with strong feelings across the board regarding the subject. All I was doing was putting an idea on the table for discussion since so many are frustrated that nothing is being done and the only answer to some is to ban guns altogether. That's not going to happen anytime in the near or distant future, so we should be talking about what *can* be done that does not impose hardships on anyone or take away their right to gun ownership. People use to get run over and killed by horse horse drawn chariots. People who want to do harm to others are going to do harm to others with whatever tool is convienent at the time. That tool may be a gun, a stick, a frying pan or someother implement. |
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says... On Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:50:02 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article 4aff18db-aea9-4494-b9fd- , says... On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article eeda19dc-87fa-4f85-90d1-0165d63eed91 @googlegroups.com, says... Kids are not taught about guns (except by Hollywood and video games), and in increasing numbers are killing each other with guns. I was taught as a young child about guns, as were most "back in the day", and those problems weren't anywhere close to as prevalent. What you say worked for your kids sure doesn't seem to be working for a large majority of the population. Nah, it works for the majority. Ah, OK. So for the majority, guns are not a problem, and so they don't need to be regulated or banned. Sounds good. Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them? So maybe we should just do away with every law, eh? It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself. Adults can't be taught? |
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says... On 6/16/2013 8:17 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article be98ef1d-78b5-4422-9810-4de11b3642d5 @googlegroups.com, says... Maybe you missed it, but the majority has already regulated and banned guns. That's why it's working for them. You must have missed it, but it's NOT working for them. Making more laws doesn't work. The criminals are already breaking the law, what's one more law to them? It's funny how you are so adamant about how people aren't going to teach *your* children about guns, then you let it slip that you "children" are actually adults. Seems that you don't actually have a dog in this hunt, other than to promote your particular political agenda. You should probably let people that actually have kids decide, not some old fart with an unrealistic view of the world like yourself. Have a nice day. You still don't get it. The majority are happy enough with current gun regulations/bans. Otherwise there will be more regulations/bans, not less. That's been the course of history, more regulations and bans, with some exceptions in some states. It's not been teaching "gun safety" in public schools. Since you seem to be a gun nut worried about criminals, and want all children taught "gun safety" in public schools, I'll tell you what I told the others. You want "gun safety" safety courses taught in public schools, then ****ing work for it. Good luck. In the meantime, I don't give a **** if you mortgage your house to lawfully load it up with guns to defend yourself against criminals. None of my business. Nobody's stopping you, and I couldn't care less how you defend your little castle. I have grandkids in public schools, and my children feel the same way about this for their kids. So that argument doesn't work, unless you say I shouldn't care about kin. Now, I've got no problem with anybody taking their youngsters to the range or woods and teaching them whatever they want about guns. Why are you gun nuts asking taxpayers to shoulder your responsibility in training your kids skills the majority of people feel are unnecessary or undesirable for their kids? That's what I've noticed about gun nuts. Always wanting to tell other people how their lives should be conducted around guns. They're always right. They just can't ken to the fact that the majority of people have nothing to do with guns. Here I am saying I'm fine with them legally loading up with all the guns they want. That's not enough for them. They want to tell others how to raise their kids. Now there's plenty of gun-owners who don't do this, and just go about their business. Then you got your gun nuts. Saying I have a "political agenda." Thinking that "gun safety" classes in public schools hasn't already been decided, and what they think is right should just be implemented despite majority opposition. Saying my very real and fairly long life has been "unrealistic" despite it working out just fine. Go figure. ------------------------------------ Take a deep breath and relax. Nobody is advocating gun safety classes on your dime or anyone else's. There are plenty of qualified "gun nuts", including law enforcement personnel who would be more than willing to make safety presentations at a school or other extracurricular activity. And again, it's not to teach youth about how to become proficient in the *use* a gun. It's to educate them as to the dangers of firearms and their safe handling should they come in the presence of one. I can see it as a special event, much like field trips, in which participation is voluntary and with the permission of the parents for their kid to attend. Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school? Yeah, who do those damned educators think they are, trying to educate your kid? |
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On 6/17/2013 4:20 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense. Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers, cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results, then you can come spout off as to what you would do.... ----------------------------------------- Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher was using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto young kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem to imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that .... with complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers, cops, and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction. Why do I suspect this is BS? Because it's me saying it and you can't stand being corrected.... |
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says... On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school? -------------------------------------- Like what for example? For the past 7 or 8 years we have had to review, our childrens, daily lessons in school to find out what they are being taught in public school. We live in the People's Repiblic of Montgomery County in the Democratic Republic of Maryland. We have found that the teachers put their own political views and biases into their interactions with their students on a daily basis. When my oldest went off to college I told here that her primary goal is to get a degree and that arguing with the professors about their professors political positions and biases is a losing proposition. She soon learnd which professors are the leftists who are just interested in creating more party line spouting leftists. ----------------------------------------------- That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense. Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers, cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results, then you can come spout off as to what you would do.... About WHAT? Eisboch asked for specific examples, and thus far all you have given is FOX rhetoric. |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... Why should the parents have any more say in this than they do in any other issue shoved down the kids throats on a daily basis at school? -------------------------------------- Like what for example? For the past 7 or 8 years we have had to review, our childrens, daily lessons in school to find out what they are being taught in public school. We live in the People's Repiblic of Montgomery County in the Democratic Republic of Maryland. We have found that the teachers put their own political views and biases into their interactions with their students on a daily basis. When my oldest went off to college I told here that her primary goal is to get a degree and that arguing with the professors about their professors political positions and biases is a losing proposition. She soon learnd which professors are the leftists who are just interested in creating more party line spouting leftists. ----------------------------------------------- That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense. The Montgomery County Maryland school system has been on the decline for the past 20 years. It used to be that the Fairfax County Virginia and Montgomery County Maryland were the two richest counties in the country. The most recent rankings I saw had Fairfax county still in the top 3 and Montgomery dropping to the mid teens, 15 I believe. Why is Montgomery County Maryland declining? It has to be the liberal bias and feel good nature of what they teach. My eldest daughter went to Poolesvill High School. It is a magnent school and it has 74% of the sutdents on the honor roll. Read the letter below from teachers at that school. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...many-kids-are- flunking-final-exams-in-montgomery-county/ College is a little different. I think we all were subjected to both left and right views. I think by the time you are in college you should be able to think for yourself and accept or reject influences by the professors. Makes you think. Luckily my daughter is able to spot the biases and political leanings in her professors and she is able to learn around them. My daughter made the dean's list in each of her first two semesters. She is working the system. |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/17/2013 4:20 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense. Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers, cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results, then you can come spout off as to what you would do.... ----------------------------------------- Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher was using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto young kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem to imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that .... with complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers, cops, and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction. Why do I suspect this is BS? Because it's me saying it and you can't stand being corrected.... --------------------------------------------- I am often corrected when wrong and I can acknowledge that. Done it many times here. I just don't believe your claims. Either that or your accusations regarding the teacher involved were groundless. |
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On 6/17/2013 8:48 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/17/2013 4:20 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2013 9:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: That may be true or it may simply be your opinion but I doubt the teacher's "political comments" show up anywhere on the school's official curriculum. That's not what I am talking about. If I had youngsters in public schools today and l found out a teacher was pushing his or her political agenda instead of covering the approved course material there would be hell to pay. It's up to you to stop that nonsense. Easy to say. When you have been through the dept of children, lawyers, cops, school officials, the state Atty Gen.... and still got no results, then you can come spout off as to what you would do.... ----------------------------------------- Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. If a public school teacher was using his/her position to advance a personal political agenda onto young kids and it was brought to the attention of the school's administration, I doubt very much it would be ignored. You seem to imply that you have personal experience that goes beyond that .... with complaints to "dept of children" (whatever that is), lawyers, cops, and even the state Attorney General and got no satisfaction. Why do I suspect this is BS? Because it's me saying it and you can't stand being corrected.... --------------------------------------------- I am often corrected when wrong and I can acknowledge that. Done it many times here. I just don't believe your claims. Either that or your accusations regarding the teacher involved were groundless. Several years ago when I went through it all, it was well documented here... Take it for what it's worth. "You" are not going to go into the school and change anybody... |
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