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So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife
loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. |
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On 6/1/2013 10:17 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. Pay close attention to the roof leak. What caused it? What will it take to repair it$$$$$. Will it fit wherever you want to take it? For instance, don't plan on sandwiching it into Donnie's driveway. ;-) Vehicle weight will determine what you need to pull and stop it. $1500 sounds too good to be true. |
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On 6/1/13 10:17 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. I don't want to be accused of being helpful, so just pretend you didn't see this, okay? http://fifthwheelst.com/before_you_buy.htm It's a site that will help you figure out what you need, and there's a calculator available, too. Shhhhhh. |
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On Jun 1, 9:17*am, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote: So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. Hey you found a live-in for the new property! Seriously though, you don't need a duelie truck. Actually those things can be a pain. But a 3/4 ton diesel would be a good choice, though. |
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On Jun 1, 9:39*am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 6/1/13 10:17 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. I don't want to be accused of being helpful, so just pretend you didn't see this, okay? http://fifthwheelst.com/before_you_buy.htm It's a site that will help you figure out what you need, and there's a calculator available, too. Shhhhhh. OR... take note of what the majority of rigs that pull something like that, and if possible ask drivers questions... |
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@socialworker.net says... On 6/1/2013 10:17 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. Pay close attention to the roof leak. What caused it? What will it take to repair it$$$$$. Will it fit wherever you want to take it? For instance, don't plan on sandwiching it into Donnie's driveway. ;-) Vehicle weight will determine what you need to pull and stop it. $1500 sounds too good to be true. Another troll... |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. -------------------------------- You need to determine the trailer weight (loaded) and then find a truck that is rated for it. I've forgotten all the details but it's not as simple as just getting the trailer weight. The load capacity of the truck factors into it also (passengers and cargo). 4x4's are rated a bit lower than regular drives due to the extra weight of the 4x4 mechanical system. If you exceed the combined ratings and you happen to have an accident or something you can be cited for being overweight. Another issue with fifth wheels: Depending on the bed size of the truck, you may need a "sliding hitch". Full sized beds won't need one but the shorter beds (often found on crew cabs) will need one. We had a 37' fifth wheel "toy hauler" for a while. Back opened up as a ramp to carry motorcycles, golf carts and things like that. Towed it with a Ford F-350 Powerstroke diesel 4x4. I'd recommend a 4x4 even though many people disagree. It's nice to be able to put it in a low gear ratio when maneuvering in tight spaces or backing up inclines. We used it exactly once. Spent the hottest week of the summer in New Hampshire with humidity levels near 100 percent. Thunderstorms everyday and giant mosquitoes. Decided camping wasn't our bag and sold it. |
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On 6/1/2013 10:34 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 10:17 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. Pay close attention to the roof leak. What caused it? What will it take to repair it$$$$$. Will it fit wherever you want to take it? For instance, don't plan on sandwiching it into Donnie's driveway. ;-) Vehicle weight will determine what you need to pull and stop it. $1500 sounds too good to be true. The 1500 is reasonable when you consider who the guy is and how we are connected to him... It's a decent trailer that is still in service by a family but they have several others... so they are gonna' "sponsor" us a camper basically... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... " I'd recommend a 4x4 even though many people disagree. It's nice to be able to put it in a low gear ratio when maneuvering in tight spaces or backing up inclines." ---------------- I always get that backwards. Low gear is a "high" gear ratio. |
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On Jun 1, 12:08*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" *wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. * You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. I agree with Rich. a 1500 is a 'heavy half' tone truck. and is light for the load. I've never seen a 1500 set up for a 5th wheel, and the 5.3 will pull it but it'd have to work at it. |
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On 6/1/2013 1:08 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Yeah, that's what it seems. We are heading out today to look at weights and such, towing capacity etc... In the mean time we are considering just getting the biggest trailer we can get for the Jeep and doing with what we have. If I can take a 7x14 or an 8x16 Haulmark (tm) or similar, I can do the inside nice for me and Jess anyway with two sleeping areas, a porta potty, and a separate area for the bikes. The Jeep is within a few months of being paid off and is still in mint condition even if it's pretty much useless as a "truck"...:) |
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On 6/1/2013 1:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 1, 12:08 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. I agree with Rich. a 1500 is a 'heavy half' tone truck. and is light for the load. I've never seen a 1500 set up for a 5th wheel, and the 5.3 will pull it but it'd have to work at it. Yeah... I am brought back to another of my dads' words of wisdom... He said, "a guy can offer you a brand new caddilac for 50 bucks but if you don't need a caddilac, or don't have the 50 bucks, it's still not a good deal"... Might just wait to have something big enough to have mama come along... |
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On 6/1/2013 1:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 1, 12:08 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. I agree with Rich. a 1500 is a 'heavy half' tone truck. and is light for the load. I've never seen a 1500 set up for a 5th wheel, and the 5.3 will pull it but it'd have to work at it. Git up and go is only half of it. Slow down and whoa is the other part. |
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On 6/1/2013 1:11 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... " I'd recommend a 4x4 even though many people disagree. It's nice to be able to put it in a low gear ratio when maneuvering in tight spaces or backing up inclines." ---------------- I always get that backwards. Low gear is a "high" gear ratio. yeah, it's weird.. I still mess that up when coaching kids.. up a gear, down a gear.. etc... |
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On 6/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/1/2013 10:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 6/1/2013 10:17 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: So a friend has a 36 foot fifth wheel camper. The thing is huge, my wife loves it... the guy is offering it to us for a nominal number, probably get it for about 15 hundred. It's relatively newer looking, everything works, clean inside with one roof leak. New bearings, tires, etc. But it's 36 frekin' feet! That of course means another vehicle, probably a big diesel with dual rears??? The reason I put those three question marks is I don't know what it means... So, what do I need to tow something like that and my other question is if I went with something 10 feet shorter (a 25-6 footer), would I be able to downsize the tow vehicle enough to make a difference in initial cost and gas mileage or with a 26 would I pretty much need the same vehicle... The end game here is getting the wife to go with us to races, and this is the first camper she ever got in that she actually liked.. said she would def go camping with us if we were in that... We are looking at other campers today but for 1500, I don't think I am gonna' find anything like it.. So my questions are all about trucks. Remember, this one is a fifth wheel, so what do I need? What are my options.. Thanks. Pay close attention to the roof leak. What caused it? What will it take to repair it$$$$$. Will it fit wherever you want to take it? For instance, don't plan on sandwiching it into Donnie's driveway. ;-) Vehicle weight will determine what you need to pull and stop it. $1500 sounds too good to be true. The 1500 is reasonable when you consider who the guy is and how we are connected to him... It's a decent trailer that is still in service by a family but they have several others... so they are gonna' "sponsor" us a camper basically... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. |
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On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) |
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On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I wouldn't want much more weight behind me. What is the trailer weight and what kind of brakes does it have? Check what the vehicle is rated to tow and leave some margin. Consider all the crap you load into it. |
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On 6/1/13 2:19 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) How's that Highlander working out for you? My wife wants to trade in her 4Runner, and since we are no longer towing boats, a Highlander might be more to her liking. I do like the 4Runner for its capacity of bags of mulch, though. You have a V6, right? 4WD, AWD? |
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On Saturday, 1 June 2013 15:30:25 UTC-3, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 2:19 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) How's that Highlander working out for you? My wife wants to trade in her 4Runner, and since we are no longer towing boats, a Highlander might be more to her liking. I do like the 4Runner for its capacity of bags of mulch, though. You have a V6, right? 4WD, AWD? Getting to like it more & more. Nice smooth car like ride, seems to have plenty of power with the 3.5 V6 and full time 4WD. As rated, steering seems a bit vague and I'd rather they set the transmission to be a bit more responsive. When in normal driving mode.. you can stomp down on the pedal but it takes a couple seconds before it jumps. Hard to get a straight story from the dealer but seems it's geared to get better gas mileage and to control jackrabbiting. My salesman said to tow in the normal mode, but I find the sport mode more to my liking.. especially compression braking down long hills. I've had the Highlander since the end of March but only have about 2200 kilometers on it. Gas mileage (mostly city driving) isn't as good as claimed. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. ------------------------------------------------ Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes designed to handle it's weight. The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine, transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small 5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty truck. |
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On 6/1/2013 2:19 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) Well, now you can turn the tables and pound some sense into him. You know what they say. Turn about is fair play. |
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On 6/1/2013 2:26 PM, thumper wrote:
On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I wouldn't want much more weight behind me. What is the trailer weight and what kind of brakes does it have? Check what the vehicle is rated to tow and leave some margin. Consider all the crap you load into it. Probably close to 15,000 lbs. |
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On Jun 1, 2:19*pm, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch *wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" *wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. * You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) Stil....junk is still junk.... |
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On Jun 1, 2:45*pm, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 15:30:25 UTC-3, F.O.A.D. *wrote: On 6/1/13 2:19 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch *wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" *wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. * You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) How's that Highlander working out for you? My wife wants to trade in her 4Runner, and since we are no longer towing boats, a Highlander might be more to her liking. I do like the 4Runner for its capacity of bags of mulch, though. You have a V6, right? 4WD, AWD? Getting to like it more & more. Nice smooth car like ride, seems to have plenty of power with the 3.5 V6 and full time 4WD. As rated, steering seems a bit vague and I'd rather they set the transmission to be a bit more responsive. When in normal driving mode.. you can stomp down on the pedal but it takes a couple seconds before it jumps. Hard to get a straight story from the dealer but seems it's geared to get better gas mileage and to control jackrabbiting. My salesman said to tow in the normal mode, but I find the sport mode more to my liking.. especially compression braking down long hills. I've had the Highlander since the end of March but only have about 2200 kilometers on it. Gas mileage (mostly city driving) isn't as good as claimed.. Another Ladies SUV...... |
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On 6/1/2013 2:45 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 15:30:25 UTC-3, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/1/13 2:19 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) How's that Highlander working out for you? My wife wants to trade in her 4Runner, and since we are no longer towing boats, a Highlander might be more to her liking. I do like the 4Runner for its capacity of bags of mulch, though. You have a V6, right? 4WD, AWD? Getting to like it more & more. Nice smooth car like ride, seems to have plenty of power with the 3.5 V6 and full time 4WD. As rated, steering seems a bit vague and I'd rather they set the transmission to be a bit more responsive. When in normal driving mode.. you can stomp down on the pedal but it takes a couple seconds before it jumps. Hard to get a straight story from the dealer but seems it's geared to get better gas mileage and to control jackrabbiting. My salesman said to tow in the normal mode, but I find the sport mode more to my liking.. especially compression braking down long hills. I've had the Highlander since the end of March but only have about 2200 kilometers on it. Gas mileage (mostly city driving) isn't as good as claimed. I wouldn't expect to get valuable technical information from a salesman. You should have learned your lesson with your previous "car/truck". |
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On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. ------------------------------------------------ Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes designed to handle it's weight. The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine, transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small 5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty truck. Sometimes trailer brakes go hooky falooky on you. |
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On 6/1/2013 2:19 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) What are you saying? I would never overload a tow, that's why we are asking and why we just spent two hours at a trailer retailer.... You are the one who suggested you really didn't care much about the ratings... not me. |
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"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. ------------------------------------------------ Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes designed to handle it's weight. The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine, transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small 5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty truck. Sometimes trailer brakes go hooky falooky on you. ------------------------------- True. Then you're in deep doo-doo. I don't care what kind of brakes your truck has .... it's going to have a tough time stopping it plus a 12,000 -14,000 trailer at any kind of speed. Remember the green '97 Dodge Ram 1500 I had? Towing that old '82 Century ark was a real thrill. The surge brakes didn't work on the trailer. I had to plan stops well in advance. If a light turned red and I tried to stop the damn boat would push me halfway through the intersection. I think that boat and trailer probably weighed 6,000 to 7,000 lbs. |
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On 6/1/2013 3:31 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 2:19 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:08:00 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. Seems to me it was only a year ago that a certain Connecticut poster was threatening to kill me if I somehow injured one of his family members towing my new boat behind the RAV4. (I only tow in Nova Scotia) Boat rig weighs 2000 lbs...RAV4 rated for 1500 lbs. Scared me so much I bought the Highlander rated at 5000 lbs. ;-) Well, now you can turn the tables and pound some sense into him. You know what they say. Turn about is fair play. Problem is, I would never tow over rated... Anything can pull a trailer, stopping is the issue for me. |
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On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. ------------------------------------------------ Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes designed to handle it's weight. The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine, transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small 5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty truck. Yeah, we looked at a few trailers today. The truck is rated 5000 and the 17 foot Cub we looked at today comes in at 3400... The 23 foot Jayco Ultralight was real sweet but would butt right up against the limits at 4400 pounds and even used was pretty expensive. We are considering the 17 footer used, it has everything I need. Two seperate bedrooms for me and Jess. Bath, shower, toilet. Propane stove, fridge, heat.... weighs in at 3200 ponds. |
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On 6/1/2013 2:26 PM, thumper wrote:
On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I wouldn't want much more weight behind me. What is the trailer weight and what kind of brakes does it have? Check what the vehicle is rated to tow and leave some margin. Consider all the crap you load into it. Yeah, the setup we are considering now is a 17 foot at 3200 pounds. That leaves me almost 2000 pounds for crap... |
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On 6/1/2013 3:51 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. ------------------------------------------------ Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes designed to handle it's weight. The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine, transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small 5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty truck. Sometimes trailer brakes go hooky falooky on you. ------------------------------- True. Then you're in deep doo-doo. I don't care what kind of brakes your truck has .... it's going to have a tough time stopping it plus a 12,000 -14,000 trailer at any kind of speed. Remember the green '97 Dodge Ram 1500 I had? Towing that old '82 Century ark was a real thrill. The surge brakes didn't work on the trailer. I had to plan stops well in advance. If a light turned red and I tried to stop the damn boat would push me halfway through the intersection. I think that boat and trailer probably weighed 6,000 to 7,000 lbs. Scotty, are you listening? ;-) |
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On 6/1/13 3:51 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. ------------------------------------------------ Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes designed to handle it's weight. The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine, transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small 5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty truck. Sometimes trailer brakes go hooky falooky on you. ------------------------------- True. Then you're in deep doo-doo. I don't care what kind of brakes your truck has .... it's going to have a tough time stopping it plus a 12,000 -14,000 trailer at any kind of speed. Remember the green '97 Dodge Ram 1500 I had? Towing that old '82 Century ark was a real thrill. The surge brakes didn't work on the trailer. I had to plan stops well in advance. If a light turned red and I tried to stop the damn boat would push me halfway through the intersection. I think that boat and trailer probably weighed 6,000 to 7,000 lbs. After my father died and I was selling off the boat store inventory, I had to deliver a new 22' Cruisers, Inc., cabin boat I had sold to a customer who wanted to take delivery a bit later in the year at a local marina. My dad had a Ford stake truck to tow boats and trailers for "dry" deliveries. There were no brakes on the boat trailer, at least none of which I was aware. I was exiting the Connecticut Turnpike near Campbell Avenue by the waterfront in West Haven, and I almost lost the truck, the trailer and the boat, right over the barrier on the curved exit. The truck's brakes when towing a boat were for ****. Pretty scary couple of moments, but we lucked out and I was able to stop the damned thing. This was in 1973. I didn't own a trailer boat until the early 1990's, but the first thing I looked for was that what I bought had a trailer with decent brakes. |
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On 6/1/2013 4:19 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/1/13 3:51 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control and stop a 36' trailer. ------------------------------------------------ Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes designed to handle it's weight. The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine, transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small 5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty truck. Sometimes trailer brakes go hooky falooky on you. ------------------------------- True. Then you're in deep doo-doo. I don't care what kind of brakes your truck has .... it's going to have a tough time stopping it plus a 12,000 -14,000 trailer at any kind of speed. Remember the green '97 Dodge Ram 1500 I had? Towing that old '82 Century ark was a real thrill. The surge brakes didn't work on the trailer. I had to plan stops well in advance. If a light turned red and I tried to stop the damn boat would push me halfway through the intersection. I think that boat and trailer probably weighed 6,000 to 7,000 lbs. After my father died and I was selling off the boat store inventory, I had to deliver a new 22' Cruisers, Inc., cabin boat I had sold to a customer who wanted to take delivery a bit later in the year at a local marina. My dad had a Ford stake truck to tow boats and trailers for "dry" deliveries. There were no brakes on the boat trailer, at least none of which I was aware. I was exiting the Connecticut Turnpike near Campbell Avenue by the waterfront in West Haven, and I almost lost the truck, the trailer and the boat, right over the barrier on the curved exit. The truck's brakes when towing a boat were for ****. Pretty scary couple of moments, but we lucked out and I was able to stop the damned thing. This was in 1973. I didn't own a trailer boat until the early 1990's, but the first thing I looked for was that what I bought had a trailer with decent brakes. They all start out with "decent" brakes. They take a beating in use. It's up to you to maintain them in "decent" condition. |
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On 6/1/2013 3:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/1/2013 2:26 PM, thumper wrote: On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I wouldn't want much more weight behind me. What is the trailer weight and what kind of brakes does it have? Check what the vehicle is rated to tow and leave some margin. Consider all the crap you load into it. Yeah, the setup we are considering now is a 17 foot at 3200 pounds. That leaves me almost 2000 pounds for crap... Just found this... Hummmmmm... http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/3781170945.html .... |
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On Jun 1, 12:48*pm, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote: On 6/1/2013 1:38 PM, Tim wrote: On Jun 1, 12:08 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" *wrote in message ... I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3... ---------------------------------- Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36' fifth wheel. * You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a minimum. I agree with Rich. a 1500 is a 'heavy half' tone truck. and is light for the load. I've never seen a 1500 set up for a 5th wheel, and the 5.3 will pull it but it'd have to work at it. Yeah... I am brought back to another of my dads' words of wisdom... He said, "a guy can offer you a brand new caddilac for 50 bucks but if you don't need a caddilac, or don't have the 50 bucks, it's still not a good deal"... Might just wait to have something big enough to have mama come along... Good words. Your dad was wise, Scott. |
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