On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:08:28 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:54:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"BAR" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
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I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself
with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not
be infringed.

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A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no
questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent
them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

I good number of us submit to this voluntarily to get the right to
carry. I am exempt from background checks and waiting periods.

I also used to own a legal machine gun so I am no stranger to
background checks.

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The requirements to simply "own" a firearm and the requirements to own
and carry in public (concealed or open) are different.
A permit is required for concealed or open carry in most states. It's
also why some (like MA) is a "may" and "shall" state as far as the
issuance of permits go. Neither violate anyone's right to own a
firearm. The only reason a permit will not be issued is if you have
a felony record and are legally not eligible to own one. *That* is
the purpose of a cursory background check. That's all. It's not to
"take away" your rights unless you deserve to have them taken.

Geeze. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

It is not hard for 'us people' to understand that you would like background checks for *every*
transfer of a firearm, a la the Senate bill.

Many of 'us people' disagree. Some of us don't see the need for the bureaucracy, the taxes, etc,
when the checks would not have prevented the atrocities that have prompted all the demands for them.
Furthermore, I don't think it's anyone's damn business if I decide to give my brother or grandson a
gun.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!