On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:45:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/23/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 6/23/2013 5:54 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:07:32 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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Great Wall didn't work, Iron Curtain didn't work?? Sure they did.
Nothing is 100% but they didn't have the wholesale migration from
one
side to the other we have now here...

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The "Iron Curtain" was a wall?


The part around East Berlin sure as hell was. Much of the rest was
barbed wire and land mines, with
guard posts in sight of each other all along the East-West German
border.

John (Gun Nut) H.


I see the "no ways" are playing semantics but my "point" was
indisputable...

Your "point" seemed to be that the Iron Curtain was some sort of
physical wall the Soviet Union erected on the borders between some of
its client states and the west. No one who knows anything considered
the
Iron Curtain such a wall. It was not a physical wall.

The Berlin wall separated free West German Berlin from the communist
parts of Germany.

It's not semantics in this case.

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The term "Iron Curtain" was coined by Winston Churchill in 1946
shortly following WWII. It metaphorically represented the Soviet
Union's attempt to present political impediments to the West to "peer
in" to their controlled territories and countries and to try to
prevent any attempts to loosen the Soviet's control on them. It
certainly was not a physical curtain or wall. The Berlin Wall was
different, as you say, although it became a symbol of the overall
"Iron Curtain" philosophy. Construction of the Berlin Wall didn't
start until 1961.



Yes, again you are correct...but did you see the 'wall' up close, or the fences and minefields?
Those, with the guards, were a real 'iron curtain', and not just metaphorically.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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