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On 6/24/2013 4:46 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:51:30 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

You're pretty goode at taking the wind out of his sails. There's no
wonder why he calls you all sorts of silly names. ;-)

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Harry's name calling stems from his insecurity and self esteem issues.
It's an attempt to boost himself up by putting everyone else down.

Unlike you, I don't need a really big old boat to compensate for a really
small old dick.
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Nonesense. Wayne has a big old boat because he lives on it for 5 months
at a time and uses it to travel to places that most of us would only
dream of navigating to. Everyone has their type of boating and
interests. Few do what Wayne does.



Harry can't afford to do what Wayne does. Too bad he can't mask his
jealousy.

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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
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I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself
with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
not
be infringed.

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A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no
questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent
them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun
permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain
a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

Why do I have to ask the government to allow me to exercise my god
given rights?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
these are Life, Liberty
and the pursuit of Happiness.

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Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

Yes they do have a right to live. And...

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a
presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval
forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall
any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken
for public use, without just compensation.[1]

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?

You should be encouraging, no demanding, that the federal government require that the press
obtain permits before they print. You sould be demanding that the federal government require
the churchs obtain permits before they preach. You should be demanding that the federal
government require the people to obtain permits before the speak freely.

When you start to regulate on right you then open the door to having all of them regulated.

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Geeze. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Tell me about it. Recently this thread turned to
building the Great Wall of Amerca, to keep out illegals.
A wall that can be seen from outer space probably.
I explicitly said that almost half of the illegals in
this country flew in to airports with legal visas.
The answer? Build a wall.
I don't expect ANYBODY to agree with anything I say.
But unless I'm here to call dumb asses dumb asses,
there's just no fun in it.

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That's funny right there!

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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun
permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in
any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.

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I agree. So, how do they get their guns?

Illegal transactions or by stealing them. Criminals won't go get a permit.

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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:17:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun
permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in
any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.

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I agree. So, how do they get their guns?

Go to downtown Detroit and wave a couple hundred dollar bills.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

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On 6/24/13 7:07 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/24/13 4:46 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:51:30 -0400, Hank©

wrote:

You're pretty goode at taking the wind out of his sails. There's
no
wonder why he calls you all sorts of silly names. ;-)

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Harry's name calling stems from his insecurity and self esteem
issues.
It's an attempt to boost himself up by putting everyone else down.

Unlike you, I don't need a really big old boat to compensate for a
really
small old dick.
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Nonesense. Wayne has a big old boat because he lives on it for 5
months
at a time and uses it to travel to places that most of us would
only
dream of navigating to. Everyone has their type of boating and
interests. Few do what Wayne does.




To each his own. What Wayne does for "five months at a time," indeed
for
the whole year, seems vacuous to me. To me, the idea of being *that*
retired with nothing really to do but putter around in a boat for
half
the year seems mindless and completely self-indulgent.

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You sound a little envious to me. I know I am.
I had to go look up "vacuous" BTW.

So what are your "retirement" hobbies or interests, besides
spreading
your political, social and anti-business philosophies on a obscure
internet newsgroup?


Why would I be envious of a lifestyle I'd find boring?

I'm not retired. For fun and relaxation, I do some boating, some bike
riding, some traveling, some reading, some target shooting, some
getting
together with old friends. I have friends and colleagues in their 80's
who are still actively involved in their work. If I make it that far,
I
hope to be doing the same.

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So why the negativity on what other people enjoy? Some would find
your "hobbies" boring.
As for continuing to work, go for it. But isn't that being a bit
self-indulgent as well? You seem to have made your mark and
apparently don't need the money.

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On 6/24/2013 7:17 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in
any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.

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I agree. So, how do they get their guns?

By unlawful means. There are laws already on the books that deal with
criminals. We have too many law makers and not enough law enforcers.

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"Hank©" wrote in message
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On 6/23/2013 11:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:51:30 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

You're pretty goode at taking the wind out of his sails. There's
no
wonder why he calls you all sorts of silly names. ;-)

====

Harry's name calling stems from his insecurity and self esteem
issues.
It's an attempt to boost himself up by putting everyone else down.

Unlike you, I don't need a really big old boat to compensate for a
really
small old dick. And of course your assumption I stated the shirt
manufacturer was making a $4.50 net profit on a $9.00 shirt.
Banisters...no wonder this country is ****ed. Have nice day.



So you compensate for your small old dick with your big mouth. Got it.
That explains everything.

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Gotta admit. That made me laugh!

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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:32:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:08:28 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


The requirements to simply "own" a firearm and the requirements to
own
and carry in public (concealed or open) are different.
A permit is required for concealed or open carry in most states.
It's
also why some (like MA) is a "may" and "shall" state as far as the
issuance of permits go. Neither violate anyone's right to own a
firearm. The only reason a permit will not be issued is if you have
a felony record and are legally not eligible to own one. *That* is
the purpose of a cursory background check. That's all. It's not to
"take away" your rights unless you deserve to have them taken.

Geeze. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

It is not hard for 'us people' to understand that you would like
background checks for *every*
transfer of a firearm, a la the Senate bill.

Many of 'us people' disagree. Some of us don't see the need for the
bureaucracy, the taxes, etc,
when the checks would not have prevented the atrocities that have
prompted all the demands for them.
Furthermore, I don't think it's anyone's damn business if I decide to
give my brother or grandson a
gun.

John (Gun Nut) H.

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I'll try again and then drop the subject.

I don't advocate a background check for *every* transfer of a firearm
as you stated. Not necessary.
What I am advocating, much to the chagrin of some, is that a permit
be required to own a firearm, much like a license is required to drive
a car on public roads. The permit is *required* to be issued unless
an initial cursory background check reveals that you are a convicted
felon or person who is not legally permitted to own a firearm.
There's no violation of anyone's 2nd Amendment Rights. If you are not
legally prohibited, you will receive a permit.

Once acquired, the only "check" made is when you purchase a gun,
either through a dealer or private party, be it a sale or gift. The
check isn't a background check. The check is simply to ensure that
your permit is valid and you are who you say you are.

Very simple. Won't solve all the problems associated with criminals
acquiring guns, nor will it prevent a nut case from going on a rampage
and going on a killing spree. But it *will* help reducing the
number of guns in the hands of people who are prohibited from having
them without stepping on the toes of anyone's "Rights" under the
Constitution.

Personally, I'd also advocate that a safety course also be required to
obtain a permit but I realize that's asking too much for our
Constitutional experts to accept.




Here's a way to garner support for the 'permit' idea.

Pass a law stating that a voter identification card can be used as a permit to buy a gun. Then do
the background check to ensure the individual is qualified to vote.

I'd go along with that in a heartbeat, and I'll bet a lot of Republicans would do likewise. Hell, a
law like that should make everyone happy. Probably put the NRA out of business.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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On 6/24/2013 7:23 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:00:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm hoping my ashes will be airdropped on the naked California gals who
sunbathe near Paradise Beach near Santa Monica.

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You should study French in the hope that your ashes could be dropped
on the naked European gals who sunbathe on the beaches at St Martins
and St Barths - overall a cut or two above the Californians and you
don't have all of that annoying "valley girl" talk.

That would be a nice visual if they would shave their pits and legs. ;-)