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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 6/20/13 4:28 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote: Depends on the degree. Here we go again. -------------- I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think. You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree. I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can contribute to our society and to culture generally. Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers, firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what makes our society tick. ---------------------------------------------- True, many of those professions are labors of love or passion. But I think many who pursue them also tend to be more liberal in philosophy and are receptive to government programs to assist in what they may not be able to directly pay for themselves. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of professional degrees by participation (and support) of government entitlement programs. My guess is the average person in the vocational, technical and engineering disciplines receive less government benefits compared to the average "someone" in the "arts" for example, simply because they don't qualify. In addition, you certainly don't hear of many doctors or lawyers participating in government entitlement programs. These programs aren't free. Someone pays for them. Who do you think pays for the bulk of them? Doctors don't participate in government entitlement programs? What about Medicaid and Medicare? :) As for those vocational, technical and engineering grads? What percentage of them end up working for at least a while on government contracts during their careers? Yeah, I know, they're not strictly government entitlement programs. Who do you think pays for the bulk of those doctors' office visits, and those ships, tanks, and airplanes? ----------------------------------------- Not many musicians, that’s for sure. |
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On 6/20/2013 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life. The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida, everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I dealt with. SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one? Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one... My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my footprint on it When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc) I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady laughed and stamped my application. -------------------- My mother did not have a birth certificate. Born in a snow storm in Western Nebraska, and doctor figured she would not survive and did not file the paperwork. She showed him, died 5 weeks short of 96. But to get Social Security, had to go to the 1920 Census paperwork to prove she was born in 1914. I wasn't too involved but my parents went through hell trying to get me a drivers license.. I think it may have actually been the SS Card that was the problem but I don't quite remember. Anyway, like I said, I don't have a birth cert, just a "notice of registration of birth"... Different animal as far as the gubmit is concerned.. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m... On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's basement, over their bed. Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do with it that counts. I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education isn't important. ---------- Depends on the degree. Here we go again. -------------- I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think. You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree. I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can contribute to our society and to culture generally. Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers, firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what makes our society tick. Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher education trade school path. When I was getting my B.A., I was offered the "opportunity" to enroll in the journalism school. I turned it down because I was sure there was nothing I could learn there that I couldn't learn by being an English major. In fact, *I* was the one hired by the major newspaper in the area in my junior year, a fact that really ****ed off one of the professors at the journalism school. ------------------------- Fireman and teachers, at least in California are not low paid jobs. But like my Buddy's daughter who has a degree in Voice from UCLA. At the time probably cost $20k a year. $80K and no jobs, except in community theater. Smart girl, and got some more education and now is a high paid county administrator in the Northwet. How much taxpayer money went into supplying Starbucks with a witty Barista? |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m... On 5/22/13 8:30 AM, Tim wrote: On May 19, 6:45 am, Hank© wrote: Another Secular Chicago thug. Only this one shoots from the lip. This one shuts down schools... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...0,398991.story Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. -------------- Hell, with all the schools before, the graduation rate was dismal. It is only up to 63% now, and that is rise, after years of being lower. Why the low graduation rate before your Bush Recession? |
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On 6/21/2013 12:09 AM, Califbill wrote:
The extremely well educated and opinionated Mr Krause said the following. "Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher education trade school path" Doncha just love Krause's new appreciation and application of grammar. |
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says... On 6/20/2013 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's basement, over their bed. Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do with it that counts. I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education isn't important. ---------- Depends on the degree. Please don't believe anything kevin says about me. It's a lie, he is trying to start fights and mince words... I *never* said anything even close to that, my two oldest went to College and earned her masters degree, the second is furthering her college nights, and the third hasn't gone yet.... I am trying to be nice here and participate, but it's difficult when you all patronize folks imaginations... The insanity starts!!!! Now Calif Bill is kevin!!!!!!! |
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says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's basement, over their bed. Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do with it that counts. I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education isn't important. ---------- Depends on the degree. Here we go again. -------------- I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think. You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree. I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can contribute to our society and to culture generally. Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers, firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what makes our society tick. Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher education trade school path. When I was getting my B.A., I was offered the "opportunity" to enroll in the journalism school. I turned it down because I was sure there was nothing I could learn there that I couldn't learn by being an English major. In fact, *I* was the one hired by the major newspaper in the area in my junior year, a fact that really ****ed off one of the professors at the journalism school. ------------------------- Fireman and teachers, at least in California are not low paid jobs. But like my Buddy's daughter who has a degree in Voice from UCLA. At the time probably cost $20k a year. $80K and no jobs, except in community theater. Smart girl, and got some more education and now is a high paid county administrator in the Northwet. How much taxpayer money went into supplying Starbucks with a witty Barista? Yep, have a relative who has a degree in drama, done a couple of local commercials that paid something, other than that, community theater, etc. Her husband has a paying job! |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article , says... On 6/20/2013 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's basement, over their bed. Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do with it that counts. I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education isn't important. ---------- Depends on the degree. Please don't believe anything kevin says about me. It's a lie, he is trying to start fights and mince words... I *never* said anything even close to that, my two oldest went to College and earned her masters degree, the second is furthering her college nights, and the third hasn't gone yet.... I am trying to be nice here and participate, but it's difficult when you all patronize folks imaginations... The insanity starts!!!! Now Calif Bill is kevin!!!!!!! ---------------- huh? |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 6/20/2013 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's basement, over their bed. Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do with it that counts. I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education isn't important. ---------- Depends on the degree. Please don't believe anything kevin says about me. It's a lie, he is trying to start fights and mince words... I *never* said anything even close to that, my two oldest went to College and earned her masters degree, the second is furthering her college nights, and the third hasn't gone yet.... I am trying to be nice here and participate, but it's difficult when you all patronize folks imaginations... The insanity starts!!!! Now Calif Bill is kevin!!!!!!! ---------------- huh? Scotty is quoting you above and calling you kevin! Everybody he disagrees with is kevin, plume, etc. in his mind. |
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