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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. |
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On 5/23/13 9:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/23/2013 9:11 PM, wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life. The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida, everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I dealt with. SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one? Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one... My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my footprint on it When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc) I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady laughed and stamped my application. Well, I was never born... maybe don was right, I was hatched. It caused me the most trouble the first time I went to get my DL. Took a lot of work to get around it here in CT for some reason. I do have a "notice of registration of birth", but apparently it's not the same to the ct mvd... :) You were born in Sparta and then dumped by your parents for the usual reasons there. |
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:56:40 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote: So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ==== Families who care about the future of their children arrange their schedule and make the time that is necessary. If you don't do that, then you take what you get. Some kids who have a lot of initiative and good study skills manage to succeed anyway but the odds are against them. We started working with our kids almost from the time they were born to get them interested in the world around them, and to let them know that we were interested in them. It does make a difference. Kids like to imitate their parents. If they see parents reading, they become interested in reading, etc. |
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says... On 5/23/2013 6:05 PM, wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:24:28 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:31:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: LOL! (Sorry). I think you are the first person I've ever heard of that has his high school diploma on display on a wall. I don't know where my high school diploma is. I'm fairly certain my mother "lost it" when she moved from New Haven to Florida. My college diplomas are in a scrapbook in the house somewhere...never bothered to get them framed and I don't recall looking at either of them for, oh, 40 years. :) I am not sure I had my high school diploma a week after they gave it to me If anyone wants to see proof, check with the DC school system. Knowing what I do about DC, they probably lost it too. Same here, I don't think I've ever saw mine more than once or twice. I have had a lot more use for my DD214 than my diploma. In fact that was all I needed to get my Social Security. Good thing, because I have not had a SS card since 1964 when I lost my wallet in the Potomac river near Key Bridge. (canoeing to Three Sisters at night) I have mine, a second one. It's not easy to get a replacement, doubt I'd do it again. BUT, isn't it law that you have to have one? Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life. The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida, everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I dealt with. SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one? Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one... Hatched out behind the outhouse? |
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says... On 5/23/13 9:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/23/2013 9:11 PM, wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life. The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida, everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I dealt with. SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one? Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one... My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my footprint on it When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc) I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady laughed and stamped my application. Well, I was never born... maybe don was right, I was hatched. It caused me the most trouble the first time I went to get my DL. Took a lot of work to get around it here in CT for some reason. I do have a "notice of registration of birth", but apparently it's not the same to the ct mvd... :) You were born in Sparta and then dumped by your parents for the usual reasons there. He was born on Golob! |
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says... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... Eh, you MAKE time for your kids. Some parents are smart enough to use that time to educate their kids, others fritter it aways on minibikes. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/24/13 6:56 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... It's tough on families these days, but responsible parents traditionally make whatever sacrifices are necessary to help their kids perform satisfactorily in school, and if that means giving up kiddie motorbike racing so there is time to help with homework or to take kids to the library or a museum, then so be it. Your posts on this subject read as if you are looking to rationalize the paths you took that did not lead to helping your children succeed in school. ------------------------------------------ I am glad you used the word "satisfactorily" because I firmly believe that the childhood years should be a balance of well rounded experiences and activities in addition to attending school and doing homework. Schoolwork is always the priority but I'd rather see a kid get a "B" rather than an "A" but also enjoy playing sports, being involved in a drama club or other extracurricular activities within the school system or outside of it. Drop the grade to a "C" and they go on notice and extracurricular activities become limited. Drop to a "D" and the extracurricular activities are eliminated until the grades come up. It puts additional pressure and demands of time on the parents to transport them, purchase the necessary extracurricular equipment , and support them by attending the football/baseball games and dance recitals in addition to teacher/parent conferences but it's part of the deal if you have kids. We used to tell our kids that as parents, our primary job was to run the household, establish the rules and work to earn money to pay the mortgage, buy food and clothes and generally support the family. *Their* job was to do the best they could in school. Their *pay* or reward for doing so was the right to participate in all the "fun" activities as well. We also used to tell them that the most important grade they received on their report card was the "effort" grade. People (kids as well as adults) are not equally programmed to excel in all subjects but as long as serious effort is made they cannot be faulted. I think successfully raising kids in a manner where they can go on in life and stand on their own two feet as responsible adults is by far the toughest job parents will ever have. In my case, running a growing business was duck soup in comparison. |
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:55:37 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 6:21 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:03:50 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote: On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. -------------------------------- I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that what you are saying? Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you. Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state... I would believe that only if your students take three or four subjects, and have a lot of in-school time for homework. If your middle- and high school students are not given a few hours during the school day for homework, then I don't believe the students are doing as well as you say. I believe this - the way to learn math is to do math. Your 40+ hours of homework a semester amounts to less than a half-hour per day. Perhaps your school day goes from 7:30 AM to 6:00PM? Then I'd believe you. John H. Perhaps, you can't do math.... and either way, you can look up the results, you don't have to "believe" me.... Your clarification, earlier, solved the problem. Sounds like your schools are pretty normal with about two hours of homework per night. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:56:40 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... Noper, nothing special. A couple hours homework per night - which is what your schools have per your clarification of your original statement. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... |
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On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! |
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On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school. Wonderful. |
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On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school. Wonderful. And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school... |
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On 5/24/13 10:09 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school. Wonderful. And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school... Did the wee voice in your head tell you that? |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school. Wonderful. And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school... --------------------------------------- I've finally come to the conclusion that the decline of the once proud "rec.boats" newsgroup is beyond repair. Any attempt to have a serious, civil conversation about *any* subject .... boating or not ..... results in name calling, finger pointing, blame assessment or the vilification of the poster within two or three responses. Virtually everyone is to blame, including me. Accordingly, I may as well adjust to the new culture of the group. When in Rome ...... |
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In article ,
says... On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school. Wonderful. You've made it clear here that you don't like education or those who are educated. Probably from jealousy. |
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On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? |
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On 5/24/2013 10:49 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school. Wonderful. And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school... --------------------------------------- I've finally come to the conclusion that the decline of the once proud "rec.boats" newsgroup is beyond repair. Any attempt to have a serious, civil conversation about *any* subject .... boating or not ..... results in name calling, finger pointing, blame assessment or the vilification of the poster within two or three responses. Virtually everyone is to blame, including me. Accordingly, I may as well adjust to the new culture of the group. When in Rome ...... Going to beat em at their own game, eh? Good luck. ;-) |
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On 5/24/2013 10:22 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 10:14 AM, wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 08:14:28 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. Gee, you and Scotty both think education is a "scam"...... Students graduating with a degree that Harry admits does not convey any job skills and comes with a big 5 figure debt think it was a scam. There is a law school being sued by it's students as we speak over that exact issue. Harry "admits"? What I said was that I didn't think the primary purpose of a college education was to get a job. I think a good college education helps a student learn how to think critically and abstractly, and how to adapt one's self to the changing circumstances life presents. Thinking critically is certainly a job skill, at least in the world I occupy in earning a living. If I wanted to learn a trade, I would have gone to a trade school. In fact, I did attend trade school classes part-time because I had an opportunity to learn a skill I wanted to have, but not because I really wanted to work at that trade. Working isn't your strong suit. Could well be the cause of your financial difficulties. ;-) |
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On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:49:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: it gives the government flunkies time to mold the children in their images. Yup, got that right... === That's nonsense. You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to regurgitate what they are told. Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL! Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school. Wonderful. And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school... --------------------------------------- I've finally come to the conclusion that the decline of the once proud "rec.boats" newsgroup is beyond repair. Any attempt to have a serious, civil conversation about *any* subject .... boating or not .... results in name calling, finger pointing, blame assessment or the vilification of the poster within two or three responses. Virtually everyone is to blame, including me. Accordingly, I may as well adjust to the new culture of the group. When in Rome ...... What? Are you going to start calling names? In Latin? Holy smokers - Krause calls enough names for all of us! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 11:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... You need to relax a bit. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/13 11:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. Which of your biological children is succeeding in college? |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 12:21 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/24/2013 11:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... You need to relax a bit. ouch...:) |
One of the funniest threads ever...
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One of the funniest threads ever...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
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says... On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... How do you know this? You've stated in this very thread that your mother fixed the homework thing. Guess she didn't care much for education either eh? |
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