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One of the funniest threads ever...
In article ,
says... On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. Yeah, keep telling your kids that education is "not necessary". |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
One of the funniest threads ever...
In article ,
says... On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Yeah, really, what do they need an education for, they can always be bar tenders.... |
One of the funniest threads ever...
In article ,
says... On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. Scotty's just making excuses for not giving kids an education. Why, I have no idea. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/13 2:47 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Yeah, really, what do they need an education for, they can always be bar tenders.... Or champion kiddie motobike riders. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
"Hank©" wrote in message eb.com... On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? ------------------------------- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZ wha? UH???? |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/13 2:54 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... What's wrong with parents participating? |
One of the funniest threads ever...
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says... On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... Wow, those assholes!!! Actually expect a parent to "participate" in their kid's education. Shame on them, I'm glad your mother straightened that crap out. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
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says... On 5/24/13 2:54 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... What's wrong with parents participating? Man, oh man. Scotty is upset that the schools think that parents should actually have a hand in their kid's education!! In reality that's what's wrong today, parents too friggin' lazy to participate. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
One of the funniest threads ever...
SNERK....as Dr Phil always says....
"you can't make sense out of nonsense". You guys are chasing rainbows trying to get Snotties position. It is amusing, though. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... We had "projects" in 5th and 6th grade that required work at home, but mostly at the library or the museum or some other venue. Real homework started in junior high, 7th, 8th, and 9th grade, at least a couple of hours a night every weeknight. I got an A+ on a junior high science class project, a working cloud chamber, made from a glass cylinder cut down from a jug, two bands of copper, wire, a cookie sheet painted flat black, dry ice, a spark coil from an old ford, a battery, radium scraped off an old alarm clock dial, and use of the class filmstrip projector. I spent a lot of time researching and building that one. Got a dad from my scout troop who worked at a Yale bio lab to cut the glass cider jug into a cylinder. ----------------------------------------------- I helped my son with a "cloud chamber" also except I used an entirely different approach. Had a small glass "bell jar" to which a vacuum pump was attached. When you start lowering the pressure within the bell jar the water vapor contained in the atmosphere cools and expands almost instantaneously, creating a very visible vapor cloud. Similar process to what occurs naturally due to transitions from high to low pressure areas in the weather. The "cloud" doesn't last long. It's referred to the "Wilson Cloud", I guess named after some dude or dudette named Wilson who first observed it. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
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says... On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. He just doesn't like the fact that parents have to get involved in their children's school work, as you can tell by his rant above. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 3:31 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... We had "projects" in 5th and 6th grade that required work at home, but mostly at the library or the museum or some other venue. Real homework started in junior high, 7th, 8th, and 9th grade, at least a couple of hours a night every weeknight. I got an A+ on a junior high science class project, a working cloud chamber, made from a glass cylinder cut down from a jug, two bands of copper, wire, a cookie sheet painted flat black, dry ice, a spark coil from an old ford, a battery, radium scraped off an old alarm clock dial, and use of the class filmstrip projector. I spent a lot of time researching and building that one. Got a dad from my scout troop who worked at a Yale bio lab to cut the glass cider jug into a cylinder. ----------------------------------------------- I helped my son with a "cloud chamber" also except I used an entirely different approach. Had a small glass "bell jar" to which a vacuum pump was attached. When you start lowering the pressure within the bell jar the water vapor contained in the atmosphere cools and expands almost instantaneously, creating a very visible vapor cloud. Similar process to what occurs naturally due to transitions from high to low pressure areas in the weather. The "cloud" doesn't last long. It's referred to the "Wilson Cloud", I guess named after some dude or dudette named Wilson who first observed it. My dad and I built a generator powered city once... and I built a small computer that could do math based on a game I saw on TV... |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job. There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every day homework.... |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/13 5:15 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job. There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every day homework.... I am still trying to figure out how you elected yourself arbiter of how much homework is enough or too much and whether a teacher is doing his or her job. On what basis are you qualified to post such grandiose positions? |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/2013 7:52 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 5:15 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job. There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every day homework.... I am still trying to figure out how you elected yourself arbiter of how much homework is enough or too much and whether a teacher is doing his or her job. On what basis are you qualified to post such grandiose positions? I am still trying to figure out why you think I am going to answer any of your stupid questions... |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On 5/24/13 7:59 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 5/24/13 5:15 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job. There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every day homework.... I am still trying to figure out how you elected yourself arbiter of how much homework is enough or too much and whether a teacher is doing his or her job. On what basis are you qualified to post such grandiose positions? I am still trying to figure out why you think I am going to answer any of your stupid questions... I don't, because I don't believe you to be capable of coherent thought. |
One of the funniest threads ever...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 19:52:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/24/13 5:15 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job. There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every day homework.... I am still trying to figure out how you elected yourself arbiter of how much homework is enough or too much and whether a teacher is doing his or her job. On what basis are you qualified to post such grandiose positions? Actually, Harry, we were just having a fairly amicable discussion, which you and Donnie can't seem to stand. And, you are the last who should comment on grandiose positions! How many fireboat welcomes? John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
One of the funniest threads ever...
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says... On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job. There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every day homework.... Yeah, the teachers need to do their job, who do they think they are trying to get parents involved in their children's education? |
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says... On 5/24/13 5:15 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote: On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote: "JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter schools erodes the funds available for public schools. === Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process. When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities, the parents are inevitably to blame. A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have functioning families. A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too much time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families and kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be, our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or dad at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give them, they could do a lot more. Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate from a decent program in college without homework? And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done. John H. In college no problem, and even in public schools..... .... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework" anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets a voice, I will leave it at that. 'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason most teachers stay after school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my experience, are properly constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters, with seven kids between them, are well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework. John H. Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and schedule they do.... ---------------------------------------- Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of a philosophy. You need to relax... What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer? The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not bothered with during the school day... The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework. John H. And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that and others in the district too from what I hear. It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system. John H. OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid, family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong. Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to? John H. I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL! And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate... But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured "teaching" after school". I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore. My bad, I guess. John H. I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job. There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every day homework.... I am still trying to figure out how you elected yourself arbiter of how much homework is enough or too much and whether a teacher is doing his or her job. On what basis are you qualified to post such grandiose positions? And to think I spent many nights studying all night long, when I could have been a phone order taker for a local medical supply business while striving to be a bartender. |
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What's with the name calling?
Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. |
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True North wrote:
What's with the name calling? Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. What's with the lack of quoting relevant text so others can follow the thread? It's Usenet 101, bozo. |
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@hotmail.com says... True North wrote: What's with the name calling? Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. What's with the lack of quoting relevant text so others can follow the thread? It's Usenet 101, bozo. Gee, I wonder if Scotty and John will admonish this poster because of the name calling....... |
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On 6/9/13 9:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , earl3311 @hotmail.com says... True North wrote: What's with the name calling? Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. What's with the lack of quoting relevant text so others can follow the thread? It's Usenet 101, bozo. Gee, I wonder if Scotty and John will admonish this poster because of the name calling....... "earl" is another of the *permanent residents* of my bozo bin. No chance of parole for the permanent residents, a possibility of parole for some of the others in there. "earl" changes the numbers after the "earl" part of his handle almost every time he posts here, probably because he things that will help him sneak out of the various bozo bins in which he resides. I know this because when I check the filters I use here, I see "earl"s with a plethora of number sets I see attached to that handle. |
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On 6/9/13 9:37 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/9/13 9:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , earl3311 @hotmail.com says... True North wrote: What's with the name calling? Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. What's with the lack of quoting relevant text so others can follow the thread? It's Usenet 101, bozo. Gee, I wonder if Scotty and John will admonish this poster because of the name calling....... "earl" is another of the *permanent residents* of my bozo bin. No chance of parole for the permanent residents, a possibility of parole for some of the others in there. "earl" changes the numbers after the "earl" part of his handle almost every time he posts here, probably because he things that will help him sneak out of the various bozo bins in which he resides. I know this because when I check the filters I use here, I see "earl"s with a plethora of number sets I see attached to that handle. er, he thinks, not things. |
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On Sunday, 9 June 2013 10:32:42 UTC-3, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , earl3311 @hotmail.com says... True North wrote: What's with the name calling? Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. What's with the lack of quoting relevant text so others can follow the thread? It's Usenet 101, bozo. Gee, I wonder if Scotty and John will admonish this poster because of the name calling....... Would be nice. I've been "plonked" recently for a lot less than what 'Earl' spews whenever he darkens our doors. |
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On 6/9/2013 9:42 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/9/13 9:37 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 6/9/13 9:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , earl3311 @hotmail.com says... True North wrote: What's with the name calling? Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. What's with the lack of quoting relevant text so others can follow the thread? It's Usenet 101, bozo. Gee, I wonder if Scotty and John will admonish this poster because of the name calling....... "earl" is another of the *permanent residents* of my bozo bin. No chance of parole for the permanent residents, a possibility of parole for some of the others in there. "earl" changes the numbers after the "earl" part of his handle almost every time he posts here, probably because he things that will help him sneak out of the various bozo bins in which he resides. I know this because when I check the filters I use here, I see "earl"s with a plethora of number sets I see attached to that handle. er, he thinks, not things. What makes you thing we care about your assessments of other posters, oh bald one. |
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On 6/9/2013 11:30 AM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 9 June 2013 10:32:42 UTC-3, iBoaterer wrote: In article , earl3311 @hotmail.com says... True North wrote: What's with the name calling? Some of us are trying to develop a more respectful newsgroup. What's with the lack of quoting relevant text so others can follow the thread? It's Usenet 101, bozo. Gee, I wonder if Scotty and John will admonish this poster because of the name calling....... Would be nice. I've been "plonked" recently for a lot less than what 'Earl' spews whenever he darkens our doors. Earl is a breath of fresh air compared to you and your sidekick. |
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life. The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida, everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I dealt with. SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one? Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one... My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my footprint on it When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc) I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady laughed and stamped my application. -------------------- My mother did not have a birth certificate. Born in a snow storm in Western Nebraska, and doctor figured she would not survive and did not file the paperwork. She showed him, died 5 weeks short of 96. But to get Social Security, had to go to the 1920 Census paperwork to prove she was born in 1914. |
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m... On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's basement, over their bed. Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do with it that counts. I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education isn't important. ---------- Depends on the degree. Here we go again. -------------- I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think. |
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On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: wrote: My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the campus, lest he be shunned. He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard. He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs, not preparing students for a job. He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house in New Buffalo Michigan. Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you believe. I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job. That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's basement, over their bed. Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do with it that counts. I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education isn't important. ---------- Depends on the degree. Here we go again. -------------- I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think. You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree. I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can contribute to our society and to culture generally. Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers, firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what makes our society tick. Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher education trade school path. When I was getting my B.A., I was offered the "opportunity" to enroll in the journalism school. I turned it down because I was sure there was nothing I could learn there that I couldn't learn by being an English major. In fact, *I* was the one hired by the major newspaper in the area in my junior year, a fact that really ****ed off one of the professors at the journalism school. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote: Depends on the degree. Here we go again. -------------- I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think. You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree. I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can contribute to our society and to culture generally. Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers, firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what makes our society tick. ---------------------------------------------- True, many of those professions are labors of love or passion. But I think many who pursue them also tend to be more liberal in philosophy and are receptive to government programs to assist in what they may not be able to directly pay for themselves. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of professional degrees by participation (and support) of government entitlement programs. My guess is the average person in the vocational, technical and engineering disciplines receive less government benefits compared to the average "someone" in the "arts" for example, simply because they don't qualify. In addition, you certainly don't hear of many doctors or lawyers participating in government entitlement programs. These programs aren't free. Someone pays for them. Who do you think pays for the bulk of them? |
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On 6/20/13 4:28 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote: Depends on the degree. Here we go again. -------------- I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think. You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree. I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can contribute to our society and to culture generally. Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers, firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what makes our society tick. ---------------------------------------------- True, many of those professions are labors of love or passion. But I think many who pursue them also tend to be more liberal in philosophy and are receptive to government programs to assist in what they may not be able to directly pay for themselves. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of professional degrees by participation (and support) of government entitlement programs. My guess is the average person in the vocational, technical and engineering disciplines receive less government benefits compared to the average "someone" in the "arts" for example, simply because they don't qualify. In addition, you certainly don't hear of many doctors or lawyers participating in government entitlement programs. These programs aren't free. Someone pays for them. Who do you think pays for the bulk of them? Doctors don't participate in government entitlement programs? What about Medicaid and Medicare? :) As for those vocational, technical and engineering grads? What percentage of them end up working for at least a while on government contracts during their careers? Yeah, I know, they're not strictly government entitlement programs. Who do you think pays for the bulk of those doctors' office visits, and those ships, tanks, and airplanes? |
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