On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.


What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed, built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed
that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When
things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.


What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess.
The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free
market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed,
built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statler-and-waldorf.jpg

On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.


What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed, built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statler-and-waldorf.jpg


Greed is the driving force in the economy.

On May 14, 6:43*am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:











"F.O.A.D." *wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. *When things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.

What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed, built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. *Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. *Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statle....

Greed is the driving force in the economy.

It's the driving force of any economy. ie to gain more

On 5/14/13 7:46 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 14, 6:43 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:











"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.

What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed, built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statle...

Greed is the driving force in the economy.

It's the driving force of any economy. ie to gain more



So, you are an acolyte of Gordon Gekko, and believe that unrestrained
greed is good? Mighty shaky ground for a devout and believing Christian,
eh?

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 7:46 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 14, 6:43 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed
that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't
make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high
ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When
things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.

What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate
excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to
disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing
facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring
for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free
market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed,
built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens,
why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statle...

Greed is the driving force in the economy.

It's the driving force of any economy. ie to gain more



So, you are an acolyte of Gordon Gekko, and believe that unrestrained
greed is good? Mighty shaky ground for a devout and believing
Christian,
eh?

------------------------------------------------

Tim's faith has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation Harry.

On 5/14/13 8:20 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 7:46 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 14, 6:43 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.

What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free
market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed,
built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statle...


Greed is the driving force in the economy.

It's the driving force of any economy. ie to gain more



So, you are an acolyte of Gordon Gekko, and believe that unrestrained
greed is good? Mighty shaky ground for a devout and believing Christian,
eh?

------------------------------------------------

Tim's faith has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation Harry.




I'm not questioning his faith, but I do know that his saviour was not an
advocate of greed.

Perhaps we have a language problem here. I don't have the slightest
problem with a for-profit company making a profit. For me, the question
is, what is the percentage of profit and what is being done to maximize
that profit? If workers are being exploited and forced to work in
dangerous conditions, then the maximization of profit is based upon
greed. If the workers are paid a decent wage and can work in relative
safety, then greed may not be a factor.

On May 14, 6:55*am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:46 AM, Tim wrote:









On May 14, 6:43 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:

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On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. *When things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.

What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed, built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. *Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. *Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statle...

Greed is the driving force in the economy.

It's the driving force of any economy. * ie to gain more

So, you are an acolyte of Gordon Gekko, and believe that unrestrained
greed is good? Mighty shaky ground for a devout and believing Christian,
eh? *

No Harry, you are. I was agreeing with your statement.

On 5/14/13 8:28 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 14, 6:55 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:46 AM, Tim wrote:









On May 14, 6:43 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.

What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess. The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed, built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statle...

Greed is the driving force in the economy.

It's the driving force of any economy. ie to gain more

So, you are an acolyte of Gordon Gekko, and believe that unrestrained
greed is good? Mighty shaky ground for a devout and believing Christian,
eh?

No Harry, you are. I was agreeing with your statement.


There's a difference between making a profit, which a business has to do
to survive and grow, and greed. Profit and greed are not synonyms.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/14/13 7:19 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/14/13 5:32 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

You can depend upon a bankster not giving a **** about the greed
that
cost more than 1000 lives. No one said the factory shouldn't make
a
profit, by the way.

===

It's good to see you once again searching for the moral high
ground.
Hopefully you'll find it some day but I'm not holding my breath.

Just as an FYI, I'd argue that incompetence was probably a bigger
culprit than greed in the case of the building collapse. When
things
are designed and built correctly, they don't fall down.


What a wonderfully self-delusional way to look at corporate excess.
The
guy who expanded the building illegally in Bangladesh was simply
incompetent and didn't know what he was doing would lead to
disaster.
The companies who contract for the lowest price manufacturing
facility
didn't know the companies they retained had their workers laboring
for
**** wages in such a facility. It's never greed, because the free
market
system, why, it demands that structures and systems are designed,
built,
and operated correctly. Yup, so anything horrific that happens, why
it
is never the fault of cost-cutting or greed.

---------------------------------------

Wow. Harry, you really have become cynical to an excess over the
years. Starting to think GOM syndrome is setting in.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/28/1226587/474989-statler-and-waldorf.jpg


Greed is the driving force in the economy.

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Bull ****

There are examples of greed for sure, but the vast majority of
businesses are competitive in nature which doesn't allow for greed to
drive them. Most businesses I know are certainly profit orientated,
either for organic growth and expansion (which generates jobs, BTW)
and/or for a return on investment for the stockholders. Excessive
costs imposed by the government for the privilege of doing business
shouldn't be confused with corporate greed.