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On 5/14/13 8:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 09:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2013 07:43:41 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Greed is the driving force in the economy.

Management, labor and the consumer.
Nobody is innocent.

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No one should be innocent.

The profit motive (call it greed if you must) is the driving force
behind all innovation, all customer service, all product excellence
and all efficient manufacturing. Without the potential for profit
(sometimes *large* profits) there are no incentives for the risks and
hard work of starting or running a business. Anything else is
socialism and we all know how that worked out in the former USSR.

Harry is bitter because success (profit) seems to have escaped him.



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.

What is that difference and where is the threshold between profit and
greed?

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On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).

Yes, Ford even despised himself for what he had done in his later years.

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On 5/14/13 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


That's just silly. There have been plenty of innovators whose driving
force was intellectual curiosity and advancement of knowledge.

Ford's was a first, then it was pure greed. And I'm a HUGE Ford fan,
know a lot about him that most don't. He ended up in his later years
quite bitter with himself for what he had done, although he also done a
LOT of good.

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On 5/15/2013 9:29 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/14/2013 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


It's well known that Bill Gated has dedicated his life to giving his
money away.

Guilt?

About what?

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On 5/15/2013 9:29 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/14/2013 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


It's well known that Bill Gated has dedicated his life to giving his
money away.

Guilt?

YOU would think that someone should have guilt because they are
successful. Those of us who have been successful to a degree are aware
that it takes a lot of work, and therefore there's nothing to be guilty
about.

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400, wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.

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And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:31:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

you are and you always shall be
an asshole.

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Harry, no one will dispute your expertise in such matters. All other
fake, wannabe assholes pale in comparison to your greatness. As a
matter of fact, I was going to nominate you as Time magazine's asshole
of the year.

They sent me back a polite form letter stating that 3,429 people had
already beaten me to the punch.

Can that many people be wrong? Not likely.

On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:39:05 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

The profit motive (call it greed if you must) is the driving force
behind all innovation, all customer service, all product excellence
and all efficient manufacturing. Without the potential for profit
(sometimes *large* profits) there are no incentives for the risks and
hard work of starting or running a business. Anything else is
socialism and we all know how that worked out in the former USSR.

Harry is bitter because success (profit) seems to have escaped him.



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.

What is that difference and where is the threshold between profit and
greed?

===

It turns out that there is a very easy answer to that question.

Companies (and people) that Harry likes are profitable.

Companies (and people) that Harry dislikes are greedy.

On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400, wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.

====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.

Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


The Govt. is in the monopoly creating business now. They have whittled
the trucking industry engine builders down to one, Cummins. Good job EPA

On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400, wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.

====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.

Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?